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KingSound Emperor Model 1 Impressions
« on: August 07, 2013, 11:48:38 AM »

Build quality: seems sturdy enough, though the plastic feels pretty cheap. Still feels more sturdy than the ESP/950 overall IMO. Main complaint is the creaky noise they make when wearing them.

Comfort: Pretty good. Faux leather is decent, better than the horrendous ESP/950 stuff. Clamp isn't a problem.

Sound quality: So far, these sound really damn good to me. Low level detail more apparent to me than on the Koss ESP/950, though I'm not sure I'm as keen on the presentation in comparison. Need more time to listen. Bass response seems decent for a 'stat, which was my main worry. Mids are definitely the star of the show, no surprise.

Having only had a morning to listen, I don't want to jump to any conclusions, but these seem like a very solid contender for the Pirate Booty Wall given the price ($500).

Can't say anything about the KS amps. I'm running these off the Stax T1W using normal bias.
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Re: KingSound Emperor Model 1 Impressions
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2013, 12:06:17 PM »

Awesome!  Good to hear that we'll soon know how good these things are (or are not).  And at least they weren't horrible out of the box! 

I'm guessing mine are sitting at my home office waiting for instructions on how to forward. I plan to send them to Cee Tee instead of here first so he can give them a listen.  I went with the tube amp because it seems like a lot of the early buyers were going with SS or panning to run with existing amps. 

Sucks being across the pond, it makes me get all the new stuff so late! 

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Re: KingSound Emperor Model 1 Impressions
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2013, 12:54:40 PM »

Nice to hear about them! Hope to hear stuff about their amps from Cee Tee or you first ship! Eager to hear how these perform relative to other of the cheaper Stax in particular as well.
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Re: KingSound Emperor Model 1 Impressions
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2013, 03:41:42 PM »

I've had a loaner pair for a few days and have to take them back today.  I kinda liked them at first but after using them in my system and directly comparing them to some Lambdas I think they're actually pretty bad.  It's a shame as the dealer is willing to give me a good deal on a set.  I'll post my impressions later today when I get some time.
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Re: KingSound Emperor Model 1 Impressions
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2013, 03:55:03 PM »

Such a STAX fanboy!   


Kidding.

What amp were you using?  Kingsound?
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Re: KingSound Emperor Model 1 Impressions
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2013, 03:59:19 PM »

It's a shame as the dealer is willing to give me a good deal on a set.

Buy it and pass it on to a pirate?  :)p2
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Re: KingSound Emperor Model 1 Impressions
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2013, 04:40:45 PM »

I'm actually preferring these to my Lambdas. They're sounding more natural and engaging. The Lambdas by comparison have a more spacious sound but are kind of uninvolving and limp wristed. The KingSounds seem more alive and assertive, and I prefer their overall tonal balance.

They don't sound as ghostly as the Lambdas to me. On the other hand, like the Lambdas they're still lacking in a convincing sense of presence. Whereas the Lambdas are more externalized however, the KingSounds seem very... heady? They can sound distant, but it doesn't translate into depth so much. It's kind of a flat presentation to me.

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Re: KingSound Emperor Model 1 Impressions
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2013, 06:48:24 PM »

Should sound even better at proper voltage.
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Re: KingSound Emperor Model 1 Impressions
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2013, 03:10:28 AM »

Damn you guys need to get multiquote here  :))

shipsupt - I tried out the tube and SS KingSound amps for maybe 1-2 hours.  Preferred the SS, more dynamic.  Right now running them off my Stax SRM-T1S from the normal bias jack.  I'll probably adjust the bias on it next time I order from mouser. 

MF - It's interesting but I'm actually having almost the complete opposite impressions!  There may be some infancy variation at play here, as I usually agree with your impressions of things.  Anyway, here are my full impressions:

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Spent some time at the dealer's place with the KS amps for about an hour.  The SS amp sounded better to me.  More control, blacker background, etc.  The tube amp sounded wimpier.  SS amp got really hot near the top...I think they're gonna have to look at more adequate heatsinking.  Both amps were RCA input only (SS had a loop out as well).  He popped the top off the tube amp to change the tubes, so I got a peak at that at least.  2x 12AX7, 4x EL84, and 1x dunno.  I'm pretty sure it was some kind of rectifier tube. ??? 6-something-something-L I believe.

Looks-wise, the headphones scream MADE IN CHINA.  The plastic is really cheap toy stuff and I wouldn't try to bend them much.  The positive to that is they're super light and quite comfortable on my head.  I don't know if somebody with a bigger head can wear these without snapping the headband though.  Pad material feels decent (better than ESP950), and they're rather large in diameter so my ears don't really touch anything.  Again, comfy.  Cups don't have much travel to move up and down, but can swivel from side to side freely so you can fold them flat if needed (think Grado pizza box).  Cups don't really seem to be able to tilt much...it looks like they should but I don't want to break them.  Cable and connector both pretty nice.

You can't really see the stator design unless you hold it up to a pretty bright light.  Looks to be standard perforated metal, hole diameter about 60% size of those on the grill.  They're also using pinwheel/spoke bracing as found on the SR-Omega/SR-009.  Think 009 brace but with a quarter-size hole in the middle and 12 spokes.

I've spent some time comparing the KingSounds to a LNS, both driven from a T1S.  As the hours passed I definitely preferred the LNS.  My biggest complaint with the KS is that they sound super laid back.  I noticed this the first time I auditioned them, and ended up having to play them a lot louder than I normally listen.  At these higher levels, I noticed quite a bit of compression on loud passages...the drivers didn't seem to like being pushed that much.  I actually don't mind laid back phones at all, but these took it a little too far for me.  There's also a large difference in soundstaging between the two: the LNS has the typical Lambda soundstage, with decent size and really 'tall' imaging; the KS has a very natural soundstage with smaller but more believable sized instruments/sounds.  The KS are quite bass shy, with even less sub bass impact than the Stax which is saying something.  The KS also emphasize hissing/pops/ticks on the recording.  Comparing the mids of the headphones, the Stax is preferred once again.  The KS don't stray too far off neutral, but have a sort of echo'ey sound to the mids if that makes any sense.  Strings sound much more right on the LNS especially.  The KS are also one of the most veiled sounding electrostats I've heard.

I& #039;m sure most people haven't heard the LNS before (plus it's OOP), so I'll try to compare the KS to my 207's later.  Note that the LNS is easily one of my favorite Lambdas.  I would say the KS actually sound somewhat like a less neutral ESP950 (more treble, less mids), with a slightly bigger soundstage and a bit less detail.

Also note that I was running the KS from normal bias voltage so there might be a little change in sound once I put the recommended voltage, though going by past experience it won't change much.
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Re: KingSound Emperor Model 1 Impressions
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2013, 03:14:26 AM »

It's a shame as the dealer is willing to give me a good deal on a set.

Buy it and pass it on to a pirate?  :)p2

Pretty much.  I ended up buying a set so I have them here again.  I might tinker around with the insides a little bit.  If I'm still not crazy about them I'll just pass them on.
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