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Author Topic: JPS Labs Abyss Headphone Impressions - The Real Deal Hands On Experience  (Read 32732 times)

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I feel the Abyss cans are indeed overpriced. I think they are not aesthetically pleasant. But they don't sound horrible. Like I said, to me they do bass very well. I cannot say these are the most neutral of phones, or clean across the entire audio frequency range. But they are pleasant. These are not analog modem sounding.

Now about the price... Yes, the price is too high. And I feel the same way about the higher end Stax. If one takes a look at an 009 FR it is not without coloration. It seems to have low distortion but does that justify the price tag? For some the answer might be yes, for others... No. All I can say is that the Abyss does not suck balls SQ wise. Would I buy them? Probably not... But I can say that about quite a bit of cans... Including the likes of an 009...

I'm still considering an HD600... And even then I think about it because I think the current price of the HD600 is a little high...

In a nutshell, the Abyss is not a performance / price can. But it does some things very well.
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That kind of sensible response has no business on an audiophile forum.

That's too bad about equipment costs being factored into the Abyss.  I hope that means they're in it for the long haul and will put together some competitive price-performance options.  I don't think they're setting a very good precedent with their pricing.  The 009 even at $3.3-3.4 is still a bit too rich for my blood, though I would've picked the 009 up if I was bowled over by them.
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At least they sound good...after Tyll/Purrin review the only thing people really have to critique them on is the price and the aesthetics.  IMO JPS stacked the odds against themselves with the high price.  People are going to jump all over you when you come out of nowhere and charge 5.5K for the first pair of headphones you release.  This is especially true when your existing product line consists of high price cables, power conditioners etc.  These are the sorts of products that get people up in arms anyway.  Is it overpriced?  Probably...but the same could be said for the 009.  This clearly isn't a product for everybody, the price itself is enough to keep 99% of people away.  It genuinely sounds like they have developed something interesting...an open sounding ortho.  Good for JPS labs.  I would much rather have a 5.5k headphone that does something original vs something that sound like shit (which was most peoples' prediction).
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Despite the price, I do have a deep appreciation of the AB-1266 for its uniqueness. I haven't conversed with Joe that much, but from what I can gather, JPS definitely had certain goals in mind. They selected a technology ("asymmetric ortho" for lack of a better term) knowing full well its strengths and weaknesses (openness, speed, articulation, layering vs. higher 2nd order distortion, other weird sonic stuff) and just went with it.

Joe did tell me he tuned them to mimic a high-performance two channel speaker system (presumably his reference) and I think that's pretty cool. To a large extent, I feel he's succeeded. I could only presume that some performance targets were met, others exceeded, and others not quite met.

I guess what I'm saying is that I get a sense of what JPS Labs was trying to aim for; and that what they were aiming for was something of merit. One of the reasons I started this site is because I got tired of WTF is this, and WTF is that with one too many headphones. Recall my 2012 State of the Headphone Hobby manifesto?

I'll point out the $1000 HD700 (I mean WTF was that? Was the HD700 performance target designated by a committee of neophytes, dispassionate engineers, marketeers afraid of HD800 cannibalism, bean-counters, or a combination thereof?) What about the $2750 Ultrasone? Even the HD800 has serious issues (mind you that Anax, one of its stronger proponents here, runs it modded - and Jason@Schiit brings his HD800 to meets with a version of the Anax mod.)

I do think STAX had an idea what they were doing 009, but that's a $4250 headphone which requires at least an Electra or LL2 to do it justice if you can't DIY a KGSSHV. I'm running the AB-1266 from the LAu which is fricking awesome, but the fact is, the AB-1266 is still very highly capable with the $750 Mjolnir.

For all we know, Joe @ JPS probably heard the 009, and then switched to the AB-1266, and said to himself "buck that, I'm charging $5500 for the AB-1266."

I mean, I don't like the price, but it sucks to be me I guess.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2013, 02:24:19 AM by purrin »
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Actually, it's not that bad. JPS isn't making my wife so hysterical to the point where I have to buy it.

Well, the "traditional" cure for hysteria is kinda interesting...
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Do you think there may be an acoustic leak from the jack hole? ~Tyll Hertsens

Not sure if I like stuffing one hole or both holes. Tending toward one hole since both holes seems kinda ghey ~Purrin

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One picture - getting ready for the meet. HE-400 to the left of the LAu. AB-1266 on the lowest shelf. (see, it doesn't look that fugly from that angle!)
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DAMN IT!!! The HE400 were right there and I did not compared them! I'm an idiot! But then that's nothing new.

Also, I think the Abyss look presidential in the lower shelf :P
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Lego White House for the win!

I think that when a headphone leaps into a whole new price range the general populous is expecting (demanding?) something ground breaking, earth shattering, heaven opening... From what I'm reading I don't think the Abyss brings that to the table.  That's going to be hard for many to accept.

Their performance seems to be on par with some of the other expensive offerings, in its own way, and buyers will be selecting it for many reasons other than price vs. performance. 

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Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Is asymmetric just having the magnetic structure on one side?  If so, how does HE-4, HE-5 compare etc?

I can fully understand the strengths and weaknesses behind the asymmetric design, but it just seems weird they'd have the magnets between your ear and the frontwave, and not the backwave, for resonance reasons.  Although I guess having the magnets on the front means better control of the sound that hits your ear.
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I can fully understand the strengths and weaknesses behind the asymmetric design, but it just seems weird they'd have the magnets between your ear and the frontwave, and not the backwave, for resonance reasons.  Although I guess having the magnets on the front means better control of the sound that hits your ear.

I think its mentioned somewhere that JPS tested both configurations and concluded that the config with magnet towards the ear performed better.

While its doesn't seem immediately obvious, think about it. With an obstruction in front, most of the sound waves are just going to bend around the obstruction and some of them(high frequency) will be reflected away from the ear = no major harm done.
OTOH, with the magnet towards the back the reflected sound waves would reach the ear after a slight delay from the original signal from the front creating an echo(Coomb's effect) which would probably be more of a sonic issue.
I am myself not fully convinced that, the magnet on the backside would cause any significant reflections since the frequency of waves reflected would most likely be ultrasonic (because of the miniscule distance).The effect of not having a reflective damping material otoh is very audible and has been discussed ad nauseum among orthoheads and tbh, having a critically damped ortho just by air is probably the holy grail for most of us nuts.
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