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Author Topic: JPS Labs Abyss Headphone Impressions - The Real Deal Hands On Experience  (Read 32728 times)

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By "Behemotic" you mean 6 dB peak. Mine only had 2 dB, much better.
The main difference being that in Abyss, the ringing is hidden by a highs dip, while in T70p it's not.

 :)p13 Yes, 2 dB would actually be pretty good IMO.

Another consideration would be that the typical T70p is a closed can that while bright it has very little presence in the high tremble region (>15 kHz - almost no air) which may affect soundstage. The Abyss does not seem to have this (air/soundstage) problem... It has others tho...
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It's nice to see some data on these! A big thanks to Tyll and Purrin. Really helps to put what I've been hearing into perspective and helps me understand why I like them so much.

I wish I could have written more about these, but I've got a lot of stuff going on right now. I pretty much agree with a lot of what has been said however. The treble is definitely not as refined as the Staxen, no surprise there. Most of the time it's not an issue for me however. In terms of overall balance I *much* prefer the Abyss to the SR-009 most of the time as well. From a pure engineering standpoint, I really think JPS got most of this headphone right. I'm inclined to believe that they spent a lot of time testing out configurations of materials and *listening* to these things, and it shows.

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The ringing shift is very strange. Have you ever seen another HP or speaker do that?

Also, how do you think the price is broken down? Are we paying for JPS labs R&D or the actual manufacturing costs.  I hate the idea of paying for R&D, though that is probably the economist in me. Seems like that is the business model for small/boutique companies.
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Apparently we're paying JPS for R&D as well as tooling, which really annoys me.  Joe or the other guy said something about it costing so much so they could recoup the cost of their new $50,000 laser engraver.  It makes more economic sense for them to outsource the engraving work and offer the headphones at a more reasonable price.  Can you imagine if Craig started selling a simple SPUD amp for $45,000 a pop and rationalized it with "well I bought a new 5-axis CNC and tube production plant so I gotta make my money back somehow."  I guess it's a good way to collect equipment, but it shouldn't be supported by the community at all.  I'm not really surprised they can get away with it though since this is a subjective-driven hobby.
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That's like my kids' pediatrician saying his new jaundice yellow level skin detector / measurement gizmo cost $7000. I was thinking "boy, I'm sure I'm gonna pay for that". And I was right. He started mumbling stuff like jaundice causing mental retardation, causing my wife to get hysterical (this behavior is a totally understandable mother / child thing). The implication here of course is our baby needed additional specialized treatment = more money for him.

I wasn't too worried because many Asian babies have jaundice when they are born - just two days under the sun and some pooping takes care of it. But I sure wanted to kick that doc's ass right then and there on the spot. Actually, it's not that bad. JPS isn't making my wife so hysterical to the point where I have to buy it.
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That kind of thing really bugs me. You are right n3rdling. Purchasing the means of manufacture shouldn't increase the price of the product when it can be done third party.  I am sure that it happens all the time, but don't try to use that to justify the price.  Does that mean the price goes down once the cost of the new machinery has been paid off?  If so sign me up for a pair in 6 months.
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That kind of thing really bugs me. You are right n3rdling. Purchasing the means of manufacture shouldn't increase the price of the product when it can be done third party.  I am sure that it happens all the time, but don't try to use that to justify the price.  Does that mean the price goes down once the cost of the new machinery has been paid off?  If so sign me up for a pair in 6 months.

Price on most non-uber rare things generally depreciates over time as the market becomes saturated and demand begins to decrease. Since price is one of the incentives that can cause product to move off the shelves, sure, it's likely that pricing on the Abyss will go down eventually. I doubt it will be a very substantial step down though, high-end headphones that aren't poorly designed seem to hold their value quite well.

Good to hear that the Abyss sounds good and that the product isn't a sham. I'd definitely like an opportunity to hear them, but I don't know if it'll ever be something I'd like to own just because they're really, really aesthetically unpleasing to my eyes.
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Ok, I must be taking crazy pills or something.

I thought the whole point of the Abyss being "a sham" is the fact that it costs five [expletive deleted] thousand dollars.

Now I am reading that "hey, its strengths and weaknesses put it on par with other $1-2k headphones [edit: and that one other crazy overpriced one], so you know, you should check em out"

Did I miss the bus?
« Last Edit: July 19, 2013, 08:46:20 PM by raif »
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Ok, I must be taking crazy pills or something.

I thought the whole point of the Abyss being "a sham" is the fact that it costs five [expletive deleted] thousand dollars.

Now I am reading that "hey, its strengths and weaknesses put it on par with other $1-2k headphones, so you know, you should check em out"

Did I miss the bus?

Well it's also being matched up against another $5K set of cans (009s), so it's not too outrageous of a comparison.
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I have a feeling a majority of the rebuttals will be based on escalation, precedent and good old capitalistic rationalization.

I suppose my issue boils down to: Why are we letting the market bear this?
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