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Shure SE535 Impressions
« on: June 17, 2012, 02:19:51 AM »

I don't have a lot of experience with IEM's, so these impressions are in comparison to full size headphones and speakers.  Not sure if that matters.  I tried all the Shure included tips but no aftermarket ones. 

Overall

I would generally describe the SE535 as a headphone that doesn't sound bothersome, but doesn't really impress either.  Similar to the veiled LCD-3 only not as good.  I can live with them, and enjoy music with them, but I'm not that excited about them.  They have an FR similar to the LCD-2 except with less bass, but they have different tonalities.  The 535 has LCD-2 like treble except one spot of exaggeration which causes some sibilance. 

Pros
fairly balanced FR
no resonances, or less than almost all headphones (to my ears)
tonality is good, but not outstanding
nothing terribly bothersome

Treble
One of their weakest areas.  It's not harsh, or painful, or pronounced/exaggerated which makes it better than a lot of headphones and very listenable for me.  But the treble is a little rough sounding, has texture that shouldn't be there, can sound kind of tinny, and at times sibilant though again, it's not sharp or peircing or harsh.  It's also rolled off, with not enough air which is a bad combo to have with sibilance.  I'm guessing the FR is a bit uneven in the treble with at least one peak followed by roll off, but that's just a guess based on what I've gathered from similar problems in other phones.  It's not that bad, it can be ignored unless you're a treble head.  But stax have much much better treble.  As well as many dynamic headphones.  I'd say the HD650 has better treble by having a smoother, more even presentation that's better integrated with the midrange and with no sibilance.  But a lot of headphones have much worse treble in that it's painful. 

Mids and Bass
I lump them together because that's how they sound to me in this phone.  They're coherent from bass to mids, you don't wind up thinking "bass + midrange" and they have the same strengths and weaknesses.  They are both pretty good, and seem neutral, nothing sticks out or seems recessed until possibly the upper mids where they may start to roll off (I'm not sure on this one because I'm not sure if I'm good at hearing recession in the upper mids, I'm suspicious it may not bother me), so the SE535 aren't bothersome in this range at all which again, puts them above most headphones on that alone- there's no upper midrange emphasis, glare, shout or any such thing which is incredibly rare and quite an achievement IMO.  Bass extends plenty low, and sounds netural-ish, erring on the side of being a bit bass lite, and lacking in weight, but they have enough.  Bass is not outstanding in terms of detail or control, but it gets the job done and is never in the way.   However, they aren't that transparent in the mids to bass.

Cons
Something about them keeps reminding me of a noisy photograph with too much smoothing noise reduction.  It's hard to describe, but it sounds like there's an oversmoothed surface glossing over a rough, edgy interior.  So the smoothing takes care of any gross, easily apparent problems and makes the general picture a good one, but when you listen closer, both the edgy roughness, and the smoothing ruins subtlties like fine details and dynamics and proper tonality.  Vocals don't sound bad, but they lack realism, transparency, and sound like they're hazed over somehow.  Really, it's the same drawbacks as with a digital image taken at very high iso, despite smoothing making it usable, it will never have the f inesse of an image taken at lower iso.  It's as if the sonic picture is made up of large chunks of smoothed information instead of lots of little details.  Sounds like a fake smoothness, rather than one that comes from speed and accuracy. 

Conclusion
Good headphone.  Not outstanding.  I can certainly live with mine, I don't use them that often.  No major problems esp in the midrange which is what makes them livable, except for the sibilance which is probably the only gross problem.  If I was using IEM's all the time, I'd want something with more transparency and better treble.  I'm sure there are lots of IEM's with better treble, but I wonder how many of them wouldn't have some rather serious issues that the 535 doesn't have.  I don't know IEM's well enough to say.  I could live with the rough treble and strange oversmoothed effect better than I could live with sharp painful peaks or resonance. 
« Last Edit: June 17, 2012, 08:06:10 PM by rhythmdevils »
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Re: Shure SE535 Impressions
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2012, 03:06:27 AM »

The treble does have peak in it fairly high up and they do have a little bit of added texture they impart to it on their own but I can't imagine hearing sibilance on them.

They have "soft focus" like character that they impart to everything.  It glosses over lots of crap in the recording you probably don't want to hear in exchange for that last bit of detail and ambiance.
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Re: Shure SE535 Impressions
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2012, 03:18:33 AM »

Maybe they don't fit me I don't know.  I was surprised too.  Last thing I listened to was Van Morrison and there's no sibilance in any of my other phones or speakers.  I don't mean harshness, I mean pronounced "ssss" sounds in vocals. 
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Re: Shure SE535 Impressions
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2012, 03:43:22 AM »

They don't fit me either.  Listening to them makes me feel like I'm trying to make love to a mannequin rather than a woman.  Nice review btw!
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Re: Shure SE535 Impressions
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2012, 03:51:21 AM »

Didn't fit me either, too uncomfortable.  I kept my 530s and sold the 535s even though I thought they sounded a little better.
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Re: Shure SE535 Impressions
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2012, 02:18:05 AM »

Nice review!

Soft focus is a good way of putting it - makes everything sound a little boring. Smooth mids, decent bass, though altogether not worth the price. And once you start getting to IEMs this large I'm guessing custom fit's the way to go. Agreed with all of the above about the lack of comfort.
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Re: Shure SE535 Impressions
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2012, 06:54:31 PM »

Does anyone who've heard this also have experience with the new Heir audio products? I'm interested in the 4Ai. Many compare them to these on Head-fi, but that 16 year old swimmer does not really convince me.

Have to say I'm tempted to have a durable acrylic universal with reportedly excellent isolation and probably comfort. Also "what the Etymotic er4 should have been" sounds good, but they are pretty hyped at the moment... I haven't much experience with IEM's either. Own a UE700 that's really quite decent for the 80usd I paid for them. Have heard my friend's 535's but that was a while ago, so can't say much about them. I mirror the thoughts of others somewhat, in that they were quite inoffensive but weren't fantastic either.

There are those that even prefer a single armature driver solution for a more "coherent" reproduction, but I couldn't say. The UE700 is coherent enough, but a bit dull. Do many things better than my DT1350 but are not as comfortable obviously. I guess what's keeping me in this hobby is to find the ideal travel headphone and am only now considering jumping into the IEM realm. Ear canals a bit sore (mine are really small in inner diameter) after first few extended periods of use with the UE700, but could probably get used to them.

So, has anyone jumped on the hype train yet?

Sorry to crap on this thread, but didn't want to create a new one.
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Re: Shure SE535 Impressions
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2012, 07:07:28 PM »

Measurements indicate the tweeter is wired out of phase with the other two drivers. Might account for the treble weirdness.  I like them though.
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Re: Shure SE535 Impressions
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2012, 08:00:52 PM »

I mirror the thoughts of others somewhat, in that they were quite inoffensive but weren't fantastic either.

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I guess what's keeping me in this hobby is to find the ideal travel headphone and am only now considering jumping into the IEM realm. Ear canals a bit sore (mine are really small in inner diameter) after first few extended periods of use with the UE700, but could probably get used to them.

For me the inoffensiveness is a big selling point since I find many headphones to have some quality that I find quite offensive.  A lot of single BA IEMs can give you an inoffensive sound though.  Some people like the UE600 over the 700 so that might be worth a try.

I actually like the the 535s on a technical level too though.  They're not aggressive and in your face with detail and technical performance though, so it may take a bit of listening before you notice their strengths.  I liked them better than a lot of full size headphones in the same price bracket.

They aren't perfect though.  I've been in love with the PFE232 lately.  They're a much different sound sig though.  They've got a smile curve EQ.  I like that because I prefer to listen at low volumes when I can.  I think the treble on them is pretty special too.  I can't stand most bright headphones because something about the quality of the treble will bother me.  The better Stax were the only bright headphones I really enjoyed until the PFE232 came along.
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Re: Shure SE535 Impressions
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2012, 09:33:41 PM »

The UE700 are just fine for what they are. It's more the acrylic casing/removable cable and good isolation that got me interested. Neutral and accurate presentation is not unwanted either.

I'm kinda fond of the treble presentation on my DT1350's. Articulate, a bit pronounced but inoffensive as well. Brass instruments are wonderfully produced and I don't think it's too unbalanced. Kind of uneasy over the fact that I might have one of the mid-bass dead ones...

I guess what bothered me about the 535 was that jazz was just kind of dead with them  :)p8 I do prefer pitch articulation even though it's at the expense of a bit of distortion added. The K271mkii is a good example.
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