Yup. Heard the 009 actually more often actually, but have not have the chance to do quick comparos between 007ses and 009ses. The HD6x0 in general would be thicker than either 007 or 009... or less lean or ethereal. Depends on perspective. That said, the question at hand is resolution/plankton/low-level-info. Now on that subject I did have a chance to listen to the Lambdas right next to the HD600s. And indeed, the HD600 had the upper hand.(Disclaimer: please note that the above statements are objectively all subjective)
Bad amp? Trouble getting seal? Look pretty strange? Well, in my setup they do seem to have a large null around 4kHz for the Lambdas. But overall I don't think the measurements are too far off (specially due to seal). Could be the SRS323 I had at hand. You really feel it was that? I do not use compensation and our rigs are obviously different though. Here are the plots (note I start at 20 Hz instead of 10 Hz)
BTW, I want to buy some Valhalla with HD650 now. Fucking hobby Ali
Sorry, I should have been more specific. The FR was pretty close except for the weird null but you're distortion numbers were way higher that Tyll's, I've seen them go lower for other 'phones you've measured so it's not you're mic, and you seemed to have an issue at higher volumes which Anax suggested was a problem with the amp.I just read that one thread so so maybe I missed something else.
I agree with ultra about Lambdas not sealing well and thus not getting anything like that bass extension. The newer Lambdas seem to do a lot better with bass extension, likely because of the pads. That said, FR isn't exactly what's being argued in terms of resolution. Like Marv said, ability to dig up low level info, though FR does have a role in that.I have to question how much some of you have even listened to stats in a quiet environment. I know Marv has owned some decent stats in the past and I remember a loaner of the 307(?) going around a while back. Almost every stat has close to zero sound isolation, much less than HD6x0s. Given that, how much can you honestly judge detail extraction in a meet environment? I think you can get a good idea of how a headphone sounds at a meet (I'm not a "meet impressions are worthless" guy), but I think resolution is the one area that's a bit sketchy to judge at a meet. Let's not kid ourselves about how loud meets are.Comparing them side by side at home with a number of different amps, the difference in detail extraction is night and day. I'm starting to wonder if maybe the technologies perform differently at various volume levels. I know Marv, Anax, and OJ listen at like 120 dB and I listen at like 30 dB. Not sure about ultra. Maybe at really high volumes the stats are presenting the same detail level they do at low volumes, and the dynamics don't start to reveal their max detail until you start to pump up the volume? I think that might kinda make sense since stats are in a balanced, linear force field and dynamics are in a single sided magnetic field.
BTW, I want to buy some Valhalla with HD650 now. Fucking hobby
I have to question how much some of you have even listened to stats in a quiet environment.Maybe at really high volumes the stats are presenting the same detail level they do at low volumes, and the dynamics don't start to reveal their max detail until you start to pump up the volume?
1-Speaking for myself, you we've both been to private mini-meets in quiet environments. I know myself, OJ and UB have all had the 009 in our house on extended loans before. I consider the 009 the most resolving and capable phone Stax has made to date. At this point, a 009 rig would be my choice back-up rig for less distracting and low volume listening when I need to work or have situational awareness. Not worth the cost at this point and my 800 rig is still priority but I'm finally close to complete with it. About 85% done after adding Yggy. Eventually I'll make a 009 rig unless Stax or someone else makes a better stat. Still considering the HE1000 too depending on it's affinity to modding.2-Yes, that's correct. x100
That said, FR isn't exactly what's being argued in terms of resolution. Like Marv said, ability to dig up low level info, though FR does have a role in that.
2-that is correct 100 dB's is minimum to bring out the potential in dynamics. or so I have been told.
