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Philips Fidelio X2 listening and measurement observations.
« on: November 20, 2014, 08:00:46 PM »

   Before getting started with the actual preview I wanted to express my point of view on sound quality in general.
 To me only the absolute best I have ever heard is passable to the point where I can actually sit down, listen and enjoy.
   
   My main priorities are: proper timbre/tonal  balance, FR smoothness, resolution and dynamics, transients/harmonics and sound-stage. Those points are equally important for me and I absolutely will not tolerate something with incredible resolution but sub-par tonal balance or a huge sound-stage accompanied by the lack of smoothness. I am simply dismissing those sets and will never listen to them, even for fun. Another personal principal of mine is this: fixing one wrong sounding component with another wrong sounding one will never result in something that truly sounds right (example: fixing overly harsh sounding headphone with overly smooth sounding amp leads to a poor man's sound and is a big NO for me).
   Therefore all my reviews may seem like a compilation of negativity, well that's because they actually are and will be just that unless I ever get to review something that would better my own reference. Take it or leave it I simply don't see how to do it any other way.
   
   The subject of this review got me curious after Tyll posted his view on it on InnerFidelity. In fact reading that he thinks Philips had pretty much nailed it with the tonal balance kind of scared me a bit. I thought to myself, wow looks like we could soon finally have a perfect headphone. I ordered mine right away from Amazon and few weeks later received one of the first production units.

   Aesthetics, build quality and comfort are all great and I suspect durability will be just as impressive. To me this set looks and feels worlds better then HD-600/650, HD-800/700, DT-880/990 or Q701/712 to the lesser extent and pretty much any other competitor with open back dynamic design.
   
   Sound quality:
  I was impressed right away. Except for the slight tilt towards both low and high frequency, slight u-shaped tilt when low is actually tilted a bit more which many actually like quite a bit. X2 otherwise sounded pretty well balanced overall, neither too boomy nor sibilant. The only bad thing I noticed right away was they sounded somewhat Mid-Fi. It was very interesting why can't I even mistake such a well balanced headset for something of a reference level.

   I wanted to run to my measurement rig for answers but could not get to it for about a week. In the mean time I just tried to listen more and kept on guessing. The most apparent reasons were qualities of the driver itself as well as design and construction of the inner and outer chambers, possible coupling issues and or difficulty of the load to the amp. Honestly I finally decided none of that should have been such a big deal if frequency response was to be as flat as my ears perceived it to be at first.
   
   Either way I was very much puzzled when time finally came to do the measurements and what a relief it was for me to see the results, woooh.... my ears are still decent ;-). The same +/-5db I see all the time was still present throughout the FR range of this X2.
    As expected there was a 5db bump centered around 80Hz, then all is relatively flat 'till about 1500Hz, another pleasant +3db plateaued bump from 1800Hz to 2700Hz and after that I saw  all of my answers. Sharp, minus -5db dip at 3K going straight to a +5db peak at 5K then another -5db dive at 5,7K then a small platoe from 6.7K to 8K and then another platoe from 8.5K to 11K only this time it's a whole 5db higher and then going straight down to another -8db dip at 12KHz and finally last partial recovery to about 18KHz. What a bumpy ride up there;-).
   
   The a nswer is simple, Frequency Response still maters the most. Even when it all lays pretty much within one straight line (unlike most if not all other headsets I measured) and has a pleasant low and mid frequency elevations the fact that it is so bumpy in the end drops our perception of the overall sound quality to a much lover level. Things do really have to be smooth with frequency response no matter how sharp those peaks and dips appear on the chart they are still bumps and dips and in the end represent a fairly big issue.

   Conclusion: in my opinion this is a lovely balanced set and I can even see it dethroning the HD600/650 combo for some listeners. It definitely isn't as smooth as those Sennheisers but smoothness pretty much is the only thing going for Senn's when both are in stock form. X2 has much further extended lows, pleasant midrange topped off with well extended and fairly even with the rest of the spectrum high frequencies. Even though up top they are quite a bit rough but overall they still sound pleasantly right, just not reference and for me personally pretty far from it.
   
   I can see many people to really enjoy this set, especially if we take into consideration its price and build quality.
Have a good time listening.
« Last Edit: November 26, 2014, 08:09:24 AM by pervenets »
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Re: Philips Fidelio X2 listening and measurement observations.
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2014, 08:13:38 PM »

One of the bigger bonusses of the X2 over the X1 is the fact that the pads can be changed, in the X1 they could not.

They say the X2 is slightly smoother sounding than the X1, I would hope so but judging from your assement the drivers haven't been improved that much.

My X1 went back, couldn't get it to sound 'right' to my ears even with EQ and mechanical/acoustical mods.
It had some coarse-ness in the treble I didn't like.
Didn't think it came close to the HD650, no resemblance at all to my ears.

While mechanically they are nicely made and nice looking (The A5Pro is nicer mechanically) they couldn't come close to EQ'ed T50RP's and HD650.

Thanks for the impressions, saves me the trouble of having to send it back.
« Last Edit: November 21, 2014, 09:43:06 PM by Solderdude »
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Re: Philips Fidelio X2 listening and measurement observations.
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2014, 08:11:39 PM »

I'll be sure to post my own impressions also as my X2 is supposed to arrive this Tuesday.  Thanks for the impressions!  Just an FYI, I have not heard the X1.
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Re: Philips Fidelio X2 listening and measurement observations.
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2014, 12:42:34 AM »

Impressions after several hours:

I actually enjoy these quite a bit more than the HD600/650 or the Sony Z7. I actually found the HD600s to be mildly fatiguing after long listens. They're way more comfortable than the HD600/650s. They look reall sleek too. I find the bass impact on the X2 to hit harder than either the 600/650 and it's right where I want it. The bass is quite punchy and well-controlled for an open headphone. I find the bass to be tighter than the Sony Z7s but the Z7s have a larger sound stage. In fact that's the only negative I find with the X2s, the soundstage is small but this a $300 headphone so I'm really nitpicking at this point. I don't have the 600/650 with me to compare detail retrieval.

Biggest differences between X2 and the 1540 (Sorry I can't remember who asked for this comparison):
-Bass is more detailed on 1540
-Soundstage is bigger on the 1540
-Sub-bass is hard to hear on the X2 and much more able to distinguish on the 1540 (this is typical of open vs. closed headphones)
-Comfort is almost a tie but the headband is more comfortable on the X2 so I'd give a small lead to the X2.
-Build quality is better on the X2 as it is constructed of stronger materials.
-X2 doesn't come with a case but the 1540s do and the 1540 case includes an extra cable and extra set of earpads.
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Let me know if either of you two have any specific questions about the X2 vs. Z7/1540.
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Re: Philips Fidelio X2 listening and measurement observations.
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2014, 02:06:46 AM »

Thanks for the impressions, Byrnie. Tyll's review really made an impression on me (along with the other posts in this thread) as he said it had a near-perfect tonal balance and might even beat the HD600. I really like my HD600 but some extra bass response would be welcome. While I find the 600 excellent the treble, though accurate, can be fatiguing.

Would you guys say you disagree with Tyll in his assessment of the image width and depth?
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Bass response of the X2 is tighter and significantly more satisfying in level. Treble response is a little less grainy on the HD 600, but it doesn't seems as well balanced. Image width and depth is much better on the X2. Mid-range is about the same on both, but the overall impression of the sound is much nicer on the X2.

Tempted to get these sometime under the guise of getting my girlfriend a good pair of headphones. She liked the HD600s but a more physically comfortable, balanced but less audiophile-y voicing might get her to really enjoy.
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Re: Philips Fidelio X2 listening and measurement observations.
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2014, 02:30:23 AM »

I don't like to comment on soundstage or detail retrieval from memory and I'm sure Tyll had both in front of him.  I would trust Tyll's opinion on that, he's way better at judging that stuff than myself.
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Re: Philips Fidelio X2 listening and measurement observations.
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2014, 01:52:32 PM »

   
  Either way I was very much puzzled when time finally came to do the measurements and what a relief it was for me to see the results, woooh.... my ears are still decent ;-). The same +/-5db I see all the time was still present throughout the FR range of this X2.
    As expected there was a 5db bump centered around 80Hz, then all is relatively flat 'till about 1500Hz, another pleasant +3db plateaued bump from 1800Hz to 2700Hz and after that I saw  all of my answers. Sharp, minus -5db dip at 3K going straight to a +5db peak at 5K then another -5db dive at 5,7K then a small platoe from 6.7K to 8K and then another platoe from 8.5K to 11K only this time it's a whole 5db higher and then going straight down to another -8db dip at 12KHz and finally last partial recovery to about 18KHz. What a bumpy ride up there;-).

I'm a frequent visitor of Changstar, but I save my posting for that other headphone forum. I gotta comment on this though. I had the same exact experience with the X2 that you had when running a frequency sweep. At first I thought the X2 sounded great, but in a few songs I noticed some nasty treble. That peak around 5K made some songs sound like they were being played through my old Apple Earpods! Then I ran the sweep and the answer was revealed. I am used to headphones having uneven treble response, but this is pretty shocking, especially after reading the initial reviews and impressions, many coming from that other forum.
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Re: Philips Fidelio X2 listening and measurement observations.
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2015, 10:28:55 PM »

I'm holding off on posting a full set of impressions as I just got these around lunch time today. I am ATM very impressed with them right out of the box with no burn in. As a point of reference I'm a die hard hd6x0 user. Quick thoughts:

*very good build quality

*pads are stupidly comfortable, I wish I had some my my hd6x0

*suspension system is nice and the fitment system works perfectly for my medium head

*Sound-these sound like an hd600 with better sub bass and appreciable improvement in the sound stage. Not sure if they match the mids on the hd600 but they are in the neighborhood.

More to come...
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Re: Philips Fidelio X2 listening and measurement observations.
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2015, 02:28:14 AM »

I'm holding off on posting a full set of impressions as I just got these around lunch time today. I am ATM very impressed with them right out of the box with no burn in. As a point of reference I'm a die hard hd6x0 user. Quick thoughts:

*very good build quality

*pads are stupidly comfortable, I wish I had some my my hd6x0

*suspension system is nice and the fitment system works perfectly for my medium head

*Sound-these sound like an hd600 with better sub bass and appreciable improvement in the sound stage. Not sure if they match the mids on the hd600 but they are in the neighborhood.

More to come...
Yes!  Bring them to the Nashville meet, please.

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Re: Philips Fidelio X2 listening and measurement observations.
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2015, 01:14:11 PM »

Well, after a 24 burn in period there is a dash more tightness/texture on the sub bass which is all I was hoping for honestly. A few brief impressions here now that I've had a day to absorb the signature.

This headphone is a fair bit better than I had imagined it would be. When I get a new hp in, I typically love, like or hate it. And my opinion rarely changes more than a few degrees from the initial impression unless...there is an amp mismatch or the hp's benefit significantly from burn in. My vsonics changed 180 degrees from about 200 hours of burn in.

 What I like:

 There are two, maybe three, aspects of the x2 that really stand out for me. The first is the performance that it offers in the sub bass. My God is it punchy and tight. This is not "fun bass" aka m50. This is real audiophile bass with texture and does not bleed into the mids. It's linear to the recording which I really appreciate. It was slightly bloomy on first listen but has tightened up nicely overnight. It doesn't have the speed of planar mag bass, which means the decay is a little slow. And it doesn't quite match the texture and full extension of the lcd2.2, but it does put you in that neighborhood. Even on the Crack or wa3 (both with boutique tubes) the hd600/650 gets spanked by x2 on merit of the sub bass. The d5k is the only other dynamic driver hp that offers this level of sub bass, but the d5k was somewhat one note and was not linear...it punches up the bass irrespective of the recording.

Next, the sound stage is impressive. The signature is presented both wide and deep. Instrument separation is top shelf and the presentation just has a nice air and openness that the hd600/650 can not match. The sound staging is the first thing that gets your attention after the luscious sub bass is noted.

Finally, the build quality is exceptional. The x2 reminds me of a tank built by BMW...leather, metal, finely appointed. It's exudes class and craftsmanship. The suede covered memory foam pads are some of the very best in the game.

 What I don't like:

I don't care for hp's with a single exit cable. It feels and looks "unbalanced, unfinished." The black halo that Philips called the headband is some what ridiculous. I look pretty much moronic wearing these and so will you. But you know what, I just don't care.

The mids take a slight backseat to the hd6x0, but it's nothing that keeps me from enjoying vocal-centric music...jazz and acoustic pieces come across with rich smooth mids.

Okay, that's all for now. Another couple days of burn in and then I'll get into some more serious comparisons to other mid fi heavy hitters.
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