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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #510 on: February 24, 2015, 07:23:08 PM »
THX speakers?? I haven't referred to any THX speakers. My private speakers were ATC SCM100 ASL, a pro monitor in my view.

http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/professional/loudspeakers/scm100asl-pro/

But lets drop it and have beer instead next time we meet.

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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #511 on: February 24, 2015, 09:42:58 PM »
Beer's cool and all but that doesn't tell us anything about your sources, amps, listening voluem and hrtf wrt the UERM.

If you suspect a severe roll-off below 100hz and UE disagrees tell them to provide you with a measurement. Simple fact is you happen to be in the minority of people that would consider them bass light relative to neutral so it would be nice to know what's going on with the unit you are hearing. Certainly for some folks who might be more accustomed to a room gain effect with some loudspeakers the UERM could seem bass light I suppose.

Is this neutral reference bass to you?

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/FocalSpiritProfessional.pdf

If so I suspect your upstream might favor the leaner side as a possibility or you might just prefer an extra +5dB in the low bass region.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #512 on: February 24, 2015, 11:40:41 PM »
To be fair, the uerm does have some bass roll-off. I found it had a nice amount of bass, generally, though. The sub-bass extension wasn't fantastic, so not exactly neutral in the bass. A great sound, overall, no question.

In terms of sub-bass, I may have mentioned before that Dr. John Moulton of Noble Audio cited some research showing a little extra sub-bass sounds more natural to listeners, this may be exactly what Anax is referring to.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #513 on: February 25, 2015, 01:51:20 AM »
Quote from: Kunlun on February 24, 2015, 11:40:41 PM
To be fair, the uerm does have some bass roll-off. I found it had a nice amount of bass, generally, though. The sub-bass extension wasn't fantastic, so not exactly neutral in the bass. A great sound, overall, no question.

In terms of sub-bass, I may have mentioned before that Dr. John Moulton of Noble Audio cited some research showing a little extra sub-bass sounds more natural to listeners, this may be exactly what Anax is referring to.

Right. Nothing severe from 100hz. Kick drums sound perfectly fine without needing 'lots of EQ'. If the FSP is neutral it measures and sounds about 5-10dB over from 100hz from what I'd call reference.

Lots of EQ from 100hz sounds like something is broken or he's listening to a DBA-02.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #514 on: February 25, 2015, 01:59:48 AM »
Quote from: Kunlun on February 24, 2015, 11:40:41 PM
To be fair, the uerm does have some bass roll-off. I found it had a nice amount of bass, generally, though. The sub-bass extension wasn't fantastic, so not exactly neutral in the bass. A great sound, overall, no question.

In terms of sub-bass, I may have mentioned before that Dr. John Moulton of Noble Audio cited some research showing a little extra sub-bass sounds more natural to listeners, this may be exactly what Anax is referring to.

Room gain and room modes. Room modes = especially if small enclosed room. Also keep in mind target responses (like the B&K) at listening positions. I don't EQ speakers for flat response in a room and a little sub-bass doesn't hurt either.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #515 on: February 25, 2015, 08:41:29 AM »
I just got my UERMs and am quite shocked about the bass, there is certainly more mid bass than I was expecting although I last demoed the universal version 1.5 years ago so maybe my memory failed me or I never sealed quite right. That being said while I find the mid bass slightly boosted with a natural and solid level of impact, things start to get a little lean at 50-60Hz and roll of beyond there. My Hidition Viento-R have less mid bass but actually grow towards 20Hz and is a Much more realistic feeling. All this being said I can't fathom how one sees these as bass light unless the bass drivers are switched off!
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #516 on: February 25, 2015, 11:11:37 AM »
Wonder if the FSP shows some beyerisque qc issues (box of chocolates), since there's no way that I've heard a 5-10 db increase in bass relative to >400Hz, as innerfidelity's graph suggests.. Paradox, HD650 and even the K702 ani (now that I picked it up) show more response regardless of music material. Hmm...
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #517 on: February 25, 2015, 04:50:03 PM »
Quote from: SomeSpace on February 25, 2015, 08:41:29 AM
I just got my UERMs and am quite shocked about the bass, there is certainly more mid bass than I was expecting although I last demoed the universal version 1.5 years ago so maybe my memory failed me or I never sealed quite right. That being said while I find the mid bass slightly boosted with a natural and solid level of impact, things start to get a little lean at 50-60Hz and roll of beyond there. My Hidition Viento-R have less mid bass but actually grow towards 20Hz and is a Much more realistic feeling. All this being said I can't fathom how one sees these as bass light unless the bass drivers are switched off!

I agree with this from my experience. YMMV.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #518 on: February 25, 2015, 04:51:34 PM »
Quote from: electropop on February 25, 2015, 11:11:37 AM
Wonder if the FSP shows some beyerisque qc issues (box of chocolates), since there's no way that I've heard a 5-10 db increase in bass relative to >400Hz, as innerfidelity's graph suggests.. Paradox, HD650 and even the K702 ani (now that I picked it up) show more response regardless of music material. Hmm...

I think there were revisions with the eaarlier units being warmer and bassier (modelled after the 650 with a warmer slant). Tyll can correct me if my memory is failing me.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #519 on: February 25, 2015, 05:37:27 PM »
Quote from: Anaxilus on February 25, 2015, 04:50:03 PM
I agree with this from my experience. YMMV.

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