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Re: HiFiMan HE-560 measurements
« Reply #180 on: December 09, 2014, 07:48:50 AM »
My quick'n'dirty mod to alleviate that treble hash was to crisscross two strips of felt in front of the driver. I can't remember which pad I did that with... I think the -A revision.
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Re: HiFiMan HE-560 measurements
« Reply #181 on: December 09, 2014, 02:09:06 PM »
Speaking of which, are these HE560s equipped with the Focus or Focus-A's?
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Re: HiFiMan HE-560 measurements
« Reply #182 on: December 09, 2014, 03:03:04 PM »
Focus-A, but he did say the measurements were raw, so I guess uncompensated?
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Re: HiFiMan HE-560 measurements
« Reply #183 on: December 09, 2014, 03:41:11 PM »
They're compensated for some inherent bass roll off on my hardware but otherwise I don't use much compensation on my setup since I use an in-ear mic for measurements. This HE560 sounded pretty rough and trebled focused relative to, say, the Senns I have had or currently have on hand, so it is relatively accurate and certainly consistent among my other results. My "raw" results really just mean non-averaged more than anything.

And, as always, did listening before measurements. Well, as much as I could.
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Re: HiFiMan HE-560 measurements
« Reply #184 on: December 09, 2014, 08:07:40 PM »
@hans030390: I'm in the same boat. Can't bear the HE560 more than a minute. Really.  walk the plank2
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Re: HiFiMan HE-560 measurements
« Reply #185 on: December 10, 2014, 02:14:53 AM »
Quote from: munch on December 09, 2014, 07:03:36 AM
whöp. thanks for sharing those measurements, Hans! I just need to ask... mind elaborating on the HE-500 vs HE-560, in regards to the roughness?

is it something that can be alleviated with the right DAC/amp setup, or is there something else going on here maybe?

I only have LCD-2 and MA900 currently, but I don't know if comparing it to those is going to make sense at all. and my memory of HE-500 is probably too vague currently.


Well, it's primarily just the differences in treble that make or break it for me. The HE-500 wasn't perfectly flat by any means but followed a neutral curve a bit better. The HE-560 according to my ears, and later measurements, just has that large treble emphasis around 4KHz. Maybe rough isn't the best word to use, but that describes how I felt it treated my ears during a brief listen.


If you're at all like me, and you might not be, I doubt a DAC/amp will fix it. I tried it from a warm DAC and amp and still wasn't too crazy about what I was hearing. Now, that's not to say headphone mods couldn't help.


I haven't heard the LCD-2 or MA900, so I can't say for sure. And while my memory of the HE-500 is starting to get poor for comparisons, I do remember thinking it sounded more on the neutral side (w/ modded pads) than the HE-560 (with Focus A pads). Yeah, 560 has some technical strengths over it, but I couldn't get past the treble on the 560.
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Re: HiFiMan HE-560 measurements
« Reply #186 on: December 10, 2014, 08:24:39 AM »
Quote from: hans030390 on December 10, 2014, 02:14:53 AM

Well, it's primarily just the differences in treble that make or break it for me. The HE-500 wasn't perfectly flat by any means but followed a neutral curve a bit better. The HE-560 according to my ears, and later measurements, just has that large treble emphasis around 4KHz. Maybe rough isn't the best word to use, but that describes how I felt it treated my ears during a brief listen.


If you're at all like me, and you might not be, I doubt a DAC/amp will fix it. I tried it from a warm DAC and amp and still wasn't too crazy about what I was hearing. Now, that's not to say headphone mods couldn't help.


I haven't heard the LCD-2 or MA900, so I can't say for sure. And while my memory of the HE-500 is starting to get poor for comparisons, I do remember thinking it sounded more on the neutral side (w/ modded pads) than the HE-560 (with Focus A pads). Yeah, 560 has some technical strengths over it, but I couldn't get past the treble on the 560.

ahh, right. well I am not sure I will understand it until I hear it... maybe a guess from your measurements :p
it's not like the HD800 treble boost? cause I find that one to have a quite "refined" treble, just a bit too boosted for my tastes.
if it isn't "thin", then I don't think a thicker/warmer source/amp will help it either, unfortunately! though I don't really plan to use anything overly warm with whatever headphones I end up with.
I hope I'll get to try these soon enough... :) this is mostly just curiousity, since I really do plan on trying them out beforehand - just not sure what DAC/amp I will have at hand.

I'm curious about mods, though. I don't suppose I could sneak those in while demoing them without messing anything up?

thanks for the great replies!
« Last Edit: December 12, 2014, 08:32:37 AM by munch »
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Re: HiFiMan HE-560 measurements
« Reply #187 on: January 06, 2015, 06:15:18 AM »
Quote from: ohhgourami on August 16, 2014, 11:34:04 PM



Lined the edge of the cup with double sided tape and stuck the pads directly on. I think it's better than using the hifiman rings to attach the pads as hifiman rings can get warped which leaves an air gap causing channel imbalance.


Those look pretty comfortable.  Is there a difference between the LCD-2 and LCD-3 pads, are they the same size?
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Re: HiFiMan HE-560 measurements
« Reply #188 on: February 26, 2015, 03:31:00 AM »
Does anybody here have a good idea of where I can get some gently used Focus A pads? I've been checking Head Direct for new pairs a couple of times a week for about a month now and have had no luck. I still love the sound of these stock and don't particularly think I "need" to smooth things out much, but I'd like to hear what difference it makes, if any. Or if it can improve the already stellar comfort experience with the headphone.
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Re: HiFiMan HE-560 measurements
« Reply #189 on: March 06, 2015, 05:49:14 AM »
This is of a different pair of HE-560 to the one that was originally measured here... but... here's the difference between Focus Pads and Focus Pads A on my rig. Super-zoomed. Notice 4KHz being pushed down, but also 8-10KHz taking a bit of a rise? And also low bass got a boost?

I heard all of those. And I don't think I'm crazy. Or hey... maybe the room I'm in creates this effect? :P

Notice ringing at 4KHz with Focus Pads is gone with Focus Pads A. I always "thought" that the 4KHz ringing on the HE-560 wasn't the usual ortho-wall. And now I guess I kinda have some confirmation that it's actually ringing.

Yay for science! Or... nay! This means the stock HE-560 DOES have some issues.  :)p8
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