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Marvey

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Re: More Magni measurements
« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2013, 03:17:39 AM »

Get the M-Stage and pop in an LM4562 with the Class A bias for K701.

I guess the Asgard was too "fuzzy" for you huh?
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Re: More Magni measurements
« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2013, 03:32:29 AM »

I was thinking about that or trying the Schiit Lyr.
The problem is that I don't want anything too warm or dark.

Something that plays well with with my DJ100, Q701 and HD-650.
Lyr with the DJ100 would be way overkill and/or sound awful maybe, but then again it might be nice..

If the M-Stage sounds like a clone of my Micro amp, i'll cry. Even though it's only $250 or so.

Hopefully the M-Stage is good with mostly everything. That's always been the tricky part for me.

Luckily the Magni and Micro are. Actually I don't know if I could live with the Q701 and just Magni+ODAC. I mean it's certainly not bad.
For some reason the Micro Amp I have sounds much smoother with almost everything, especially the Q701. I think it's a severely underrated amp.

The Magni actually sounds closer to the E9, but with better extension in the highs/lows perhaps. I never understood the hate for the E9..

I should compare the E9 with the Magni for the Q701. I bet i'd prefer the E9 (for the Q701 only) despite being technically not as good.

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As for the Asgard, my DAC was the weak link at the time, so I don't know if my opinion would change any. I hated the K702 with the Asgard and much preferred the E9 for it. However I did love the D2000 and HD-600 with the Asgard. It just didn't seem like a good match for my K601, Audio Technica ATH-AD2000 and K702.

Strangely enough I preferred the HD-650 with the E9 over the Asgard. It makes no sense! You'd think the HD-600 and 650 would be equally as good on the Asgard..

Should point out that when I had the Asgard I was using mostly CD players such as my Oppo etc.

I also never had any luck with 600 ohm headphones with the Asgard, but that should be obvious..or maybe not.

I still have nightmares about the K601 and Asgard. The Magni is doing quite well with that.
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Re: More Magni measurements
« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2013, 03:37:38 AM »

You could add coupling capacitors to the Magni to smooth things out to sound more like the microamp. I wouldn't mind doing a write up for you. Don't even need to mod the amp. Can make an adapter.
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Re: More Magni measurements
« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2013, 05:07:58 AM »

I know this will annoy some people, but the Q701 with the Magni/Modi/ODAC really benefits from a high capacitance wire such as Canare.

I made a Q701 Canare cable and it really helps take the edge off the Magni/ODAC. Yeah, I know it still measures the same, but it sound a tad fuller at times. You'd have to try it out! Your guess why is as good as mine.

Using it with a Mogami $2 RCA to mini cable, which is also high capacitance (I think) with good shielding too.

I know cable is all the same, but if you think that, try the K702 with the Magni+ODAC with silver or some very low capacitance wire. I would hate it I think. ALO silver plated copper is especially awful with the K702 (not ALOs fault!)

Monoprice cables reminds me of Canare..don't ask me why.

Canare sounds warm to me. Sorry, yes I said that a COPPER CABLE SOUNDS WARM.

I'll never be able to explain what I always hear...

For anyone that cares.. Canare is only 60 cents a foot..not snake oil. I usually hate Canare. I prefer Mogami and Belden 1192A..both cheap.

To my ears the only differences in wires is how bright/thin and full/warm they are. Not sure the reason. Sometimes crappy cables actually sound better to my ears. It's weird, I know. For example I prefer stock HD-650 cable now over my fancy Double Helix cable (traded for).


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Re: More Magni measurements
« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2013, 05:10:54 AM »

might be a good idea to read through *this*. Later sections explain possible scenarios for larger differences in sound.
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Re: More Magni measurements
« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2013, 05:28:56 AM »

yeah I've read that before. Someone always throws that at me when I mention I use a $5 Mogami cable  >:(

I think i'll always be a believer of cheap high quality cables. It's fun making them too.

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Re: More Magni measurements
« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2013, 04:28:53 PM »

So...I'm going to ask the stupidest question ever. I could have sworn that there was a high frequency buzz with the Magni when the wall wart was plugged into a surge protector, but none since I plugged the wall wart into, well, the wall.

Is this insane?! Is it possible? Is it testable whether there would be measurable differences? Maybe its burn in. Maybe its brain in. But I really think the Magni sounds a lot better plugged in the wall.

Now, I will duck for fear of flying objects...  Please don't take me to the woodshed over this; I am curious though.

Thanks for the informative and respectful answers to the above post, guys! What a great forum! 
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Re: More Magni measurements
« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2013, 06:43:13 PM »

I'm not a fan of the E9 apart from it's looks.  Inconsistent drive capability, ridiculous output Z, I never knew how my phones would react w/ that thing.  It sounds totally unrefined and grainy.  The Magni kicks the E9's ass all up and down the street. 

Canare and Cardas sound waaay too warm and muffled for my tastes.  It's something to use to try to hide a problem w/ your phone, usually in the high end.  Problem is it hides the music IME.  It's like using blinds to cover up a window with too much sun.  I've heard some really good copper cable and it sounds just as clean, dynamic and detailed as anything.  In fact, I prefer the PoS stock RCA cables that came w/ my ESP950 for interconnects over some snake wire w/ massive ferrites clamped to the ends.  Just so much more clean and open.  I think more often than not, people are deliberately messing up cable construction to obtain some sort of tonal preference.  I just don't see the logic of running a bunch of cable throughout my system to turn my HD800 into a HE500 or HD650.  Just get the right phone.  Cable should be the the least significant thing that impacts your system if at all.  It should holistically add music to my listening, not subtract it or shift the balance around from one end to the other.
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Re: More Magni measurements
« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2013, 08:43:36 PM »

I agree with you about Canare.
It's true that it's a bad idea to try to add warmth (or an impression of it) for a headphone with a cable.
The thing is though that the Magni + ODAC makes the Q701 sound as lean as i've ever heard it.
Now it still is warm, but thinner than on any other amp i've heard it with. I mean these amps aren't very colored to begin with and not warm. Maybe it's just that the Magni+ODAC is like a double whammy. I have like 6 random full sized CD players and none of them sound like the Magni+ODAC with the Q701. Maybe this setup is just way more transparent (well, duh).

This setup makes 100% of my other headphones sound exactly how they should sound, so it's strange how the Q701 sounds a bit different.


The Canare cable adding just a tiny touch of extra warmth to the Q701 is kind of nice. I mean in this case it's not dramatically altering the sound signature or anything (I know everyone knows this). I remember making it a long time ago and it take off the edge off my ear piercing Assault Rifle in Fallout 3. Ears playing tricks on me I guess. It's also interesting how when you make a headphone warmer my brain is fooled into thinking it's soundstage shrunk slightly, which is impossible. I got this with the difference with the Q701 vs K702 and when modding the DJ100.

So a $5 cable to make it closer to how I like it is no big deal for me.

I think Mogami has a similar effect, but overall it's a much better wire (good shielding etc).

I actually buy Monoprice and RCA brand cables sometimes. They're not too bad. Someone recently said Monoprice $2 interconnects have no shielding, but I think this can't possibly be true.

I know it's probably nonsense, but I generally avoid very low and high capacitance wire. I think the RCA brand stuff is somewhere in between. Cardas is supposed to be (According to their website) but maybe not. It's 45pF/foot. Stock HD-650 cable is 77pF/ft. The HD-600 is probably closer to store brand wire. I don't really know what i'm talking about, but I always though the differences were due to capacitance along with the amp/dac. I always like experimenting with budget wires from Redco or Markertek etc. My soldering skills are still pretty average.

I've always felt that most aftermarket cables changed the tone of my headphones somewhat (despite measuring the same). I still can't understand why Double Helix wire (got it free) makes my HD-598 sound harsh at times. I think it's perhaps just revealing more of what's in the recording. The 598 is never like this with stock. I had to switch to Mogami just to get it to sound like stock.

Technically the lowest capacitance wire is supposed to be the "best". I think Cat6/5 (for interconnects) falls into this category, but not 100% sure.

Someone can correct me if i'm wrong, but I think the stock HD-650 cable is probably very similar to Canare. I recabled my 598 once with an HD-650 cable. Let's just say that was amusing...

I always felt you can get the same results of a $200 cable with some 50 cents/foot wire with a little luck. Cat 6/5 is similar to ALO SXC. Probably hearing things.
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