CHANGSTAR: Audiophile Headphone Reviews and Early 90s Style BBS

  • December 31, 2015, 10:17:38 AM
  • Welcome, Guest
Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  
Pages: [1] 2

Author Topic: The Importance of Driver Matching  (Read 7362 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Marvey

  • The Man For His Time And Place
  • Master
  • Pirate
  • *****
  • Brownie Points: +555/-33
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 6698
  • Captain Plankton and MOT: Eddie Current
The Importance of Driver Matching
« on: December 10, 2011, 08:43:10 PM »

While I don't have enough data to support this assertion, it seems that headphones with badly matched drivers tend to sound bad. They end up having the worst of either channel. Two good examples I can think of are the T1 and LCD2. I've heard some good sounding ones bad sounding ones (this is all anecdotal of course.) Take for instance the following T1 and LCD2r1 samples (BTW, some of the other admins/mods have heard these.)

Beyer T1 with badly matched drivers:


Beyer "Good" T1


The T1 with the badly matched driver sounded bright, thin, and lacking in bass. Although there's nothing in the FR that would necessarily indicate such, especially when compared to the "good" T1 below. Maybe the human brain/ear mechanism hears the worst of both channels (the relative treble plateau on the left channel and the high midrange plateau of the right channel.)

Audeze LCD2 r1 with badly matched drivers


Audeze "Good" LCD2r1


LCD2s, especially the revision 1s, are known to have a very shelved down high-midrange and treble - and be sound very pleasant for forgiving. The ringing on the r1 above wasn't necessarily excessive, but the badly matched unit above sounded hollow and thin.  There was quite a lot of harshness and the bad kind of sibilance with vocals, even on male voice. I suspect the ringing at 6.5kHz and 8.5kHz (not shown explicitly in the FR graphs here, but on the CSD plots) contributes to a double whammy where the ear/brain mechanism end up hearing both - and at their full glory too. The differences in the bad r1 measured above seem to far apart to be accounted for by pads and placement on the measurement rig.

Of all the headphones I've heard and measured, these two stood out as particularly bad, that is not typical and not representative of other samples, during subjective listening tests. I think it's interesting what we see in the measurements of these.

BTW, I think it's rather unacceptable for ~$1000+ headphones to have such poor QA.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2011, 01:22:19 AM by LFF »
Logged

ujamerstand

  • Guest
Re: The Importance of Driver Matching
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2012, 03:05:22 AM »

Good stuff. Beyond driver matching, how might other factors influence the frequency response? Let's say you are turning wooden enclosures for T50rp for example, how would variations in enclosure volume affect the frequency response of each side?
Logged

Marvey

  • The Man For His Time And Place
  • Master
  • Pirate
  • *****
  • Brownie Points: +555/-33
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 6698
  • Captain Plankton and MOT: Eddie Current
Re: The Importance of Driver Matching
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2012, 04:17:52 AM »

Enclosure volumes are going to affect the bass response. Since there's so little volume to work with to begin with, it's important to be precise. At least this is what I've found with the half-dozen or so T50RP mods that I've measured.


The T50RPs tend to have some variation in the midrange to treble. Can't really do anything about that as this is more related to the driver itself.
Logged

ujamerstand

  • Guest
Re: The Importance of Driver Matching
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2012, 06:29:28 AM »

Aww man, and I was looking forward to use the wooden cups I have on hand too... Unfortunately, the cups have a slight mismatch in size, and the cup volume is different too.
Logged

Marvey

  • The Man For His Time And Place
  • Master
  • Pirate
  • *****
  • Brownie Points: +555/-33
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 6698
  • Captain Plankton and MOT: Eddie Current
Re: The Importance of Driver Matching
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2012, 12:19:24 AM »

Aww man, and I was looking forward to use the wooden cups I have on hand too... Unfortunately, the cups have a slight mismatch in size, and the cup volume is different too.


Not a problem. You can easily reduce volume on one side to match the other by displacing it (with slivers of wood, etc.) Just fill the cups with water and see how close you can get them.


For speakers, I once used stacks of cans of dog food to fine-tune the final size of the enclosure.
Logged

Anaxilus.

  • Dikus Beligerantis Analmorticus
  • Pirate
  • **
  • Brownie Points: +65535/-65535
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 577
Re: The Importance of Driver Matching
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2012, 12:38:44 AM »


For speakers, I once used stacks of cans of dog food to fine-tune the final size of the enclosure.


For the woofer?  :D
Logged
If you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading - Lao Tzu

Hawaiiancerveza

  • Able Bodied Sailor
  • Pirate
  • ***
  • Brownie Points: +9/-3
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 211
Re: The Importance of Driver Matching
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2012, 10:52:21 PM »

Could this explain why I get a slight ringing after listening to the LCD's?  I had the LCD2 rev2.
Logged

LFF

  • Mastering Wizard & Restoration Guru
  • Mate
  • Pirate
  • ****
  • Brownie Points: +761/-0
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1425
Re: The Importance of Driver Matching
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2012, 11:10:44 PM »


For speakers, I once used stacks of cans of dog food to fine-tune the final size of the enclosure.


For the woofer?  :D

LOL!
Logged
These statements are false.
I rule with an iron fist and ears of gold!
The preceding statements were true.

The way to a man's heart is through her stomach.

Aravind

  • Powder Monkey
  • *
  • Brownie Points: +0/-0
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 21
Re: The Importance of Driver Matching
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2012, 11:04:31 AM »

Could this explain why I get a slight ringing after listening to the LCD's?  I had the LCD2 rev2.
That would be mild tinnitus(ringing sound perceived in the absence of an actual external sound impulse) that occurs after loud and or long exposure to sound/music...usually subsides after sometime unless there is some serious noise related damage to the auditory apparatus
Logged

wilzc

  • Able Bodied Sailor
  • Pirate
  • ***
  • Brownie Points: +10/-33
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 134
Re: The Importance of Driver Matching
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2012, 06:48:33 AM »

In the world of CIEMs...  driver matching is hell..

I think my Heir8.As are matched well but I also think fitment and the overall shape of a person's ear has alot to say about matching. Even when I've made sure both sides are equally well isolating by doing the 'rubbing fingers beside the ear' ritual, the right channel always bug me.

They seem to be slightly less detailed than the left channel. And sometimes the centre imaging can skew a little to the left. Or maybe its just Justin Bieber not standing in the middle of the recoding apparatus.
Logged
Pages: [1] 2