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Re: The Jazz Thread
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2012, 04:56:39 AM »

Totally agreed on the trios/interplay comment, though it seems the makeup of each is different.  Arguably Evans' best was piano/bass/drums with lafaro early on, while peterson (and his driving, rhythmic heavy playing style did well with piano/guitar/bass.  I absolutely love Mehldau's drummer, he's great at incorporating a lot of latin rhythms seamlessly with traditional pieces.

I actually discovered Zeitlin by accident a couple years ago when going through some of Downbeat's old blindfold tests (they take respected jazz artists, have them listen to jazz albums without knowing anything about it prior to hearing, and ask for their comments.)  One pianist who kept coming up (Evans, Monk, and others all praised him effusively even when he was just backup) was Zeitlin.  I thought I have to check this guy out, and it was a great find - he's slowly worked himself more and more into my rotation since.

If you can't find that set nearby and don't want to pay the box premium (should be 40 something dollars on mosaicrecords.com) I can lend it to you, physically or digitally (digital loan= download link, I don't listen to my copy while you 'borrow', and when you delete your copy I put mine back in rotation.  Basically a loan but without shipping charges)



Today I listened to Conversations with Myself a couple times for the first time in a while. Really cool album where Bill Evans overdubs piano parts.  Very ahead of its time - and unlike a lot of more modern music that makes heavy use of overdubbing, this actually sounds good, cohesive, every part necessary, with a lot of counterpoint (and Monk numbers) throughout.

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Re: The Jazz Thread
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2012, 05:07:03 AM »

All this trio talk made me put this on:



Waltz For Debby/Sunday... are so hyped, but man it deserves all of the praise it gets. It's the best display of mind melding between three individuals I've ever come across. These recordings represent one of the pinnacles of human achievement, IMO. It's hard not to be inspired when listening to this.

It's really cool as a headphone recording too because ambient crowd noise really immerses you into the whole scene.

EDIT: thanks for the tip on mosaicrecords.com. I was so close to ordering it for $90 on Amazon earlier today! Going to put in an order now. woot woot!
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Re: The Jazz Thread
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2012, 03:38:55 PM »

For something of latin flavor, anything from Elaine Elias before she started singing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfNURSHTQU4

Kind of adult contemporyish but I love the looks Mike Mainieri gives Elias during her solo.

Edit: Actually, it sounds like something they would play over the end credits of an 80s sitcom.


LOL awesome. I've never seen that one before. That was a very young Elias before she got all sex'ed up by the record labels.
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Re: The Jazz Thread
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2012, 03:54:01 PM »


I agree, those albums are tremendous, and great for headphone listening too with the ambient clink of a glass here and there.

Mosaic sets are almost always cheaper on their website.  They do limited one time runs, then certain sellers buy them up and sell them at a markup on Amazon, eBay, and other places in the ensuing years.  If mosaic ever still has albums in stock their website is always the place to go.


One vocal jazz album I've been digging recently is Jeanne Lee and Mal Waldron's After Hours.



Both had done groundbreaking work in the 50's and 60's, (and Mal was Billie Holiday's go-to pianist before that), and are in their golden years by the time they collaborated for the album.  Mal's playing is sparse and not very complex, but it complements Jeanne's style well, giving her room to let go a bit (she was a pillar of free jazz and sound poetry, so getting her to sing standards in a pretty structured manner was quite a feat.)  The whole album is pervaded with a swirling, heady, intoxicating mood that perfectly encapsulates an after hours set at a jazz club.  It doesn't have much variety, as even typically upbeat numbers it manages to give the "After Hours" treatment.  What it manages to do with numbers like "You Go to My Head" and "Goodbye Porkpie Hat" is very cool, though I wouldn't call either artist a virtuoso - it's more about mood on this album.
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Re: The Jazz Thread
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2012, 04:34:26 PM »

Was on a guitar kick last night (all started when I had a hankering for Wes) and ended up listening to Baden Powell most of the night.  He's a Brazilian guitarist, so lots of bossa nova/samba, but he also incorporates american jazz and european folk elements into his playing, arrangements, and song selection.  As a real Brazilian, he also plays Choro (no, not churro) which is considered the most "authentic" original  urban Brazilian music.  Got a real kick out of this album last night, hadn't listened to it in quite a while:


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Re: The Jazz Thread
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2012, 05:12:11 PM »

I'm on a guitar kick too today, got this going right now:



I know Rosenwinkel from the Brian Blade Fellowship, although his own band may be more famous. I've seen him cite Allan Holdsworth as an inspiration, which certainly shows in his very long lyrical melodies. Eric Harland, the drummer in this band, is ridiculously good too.

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Re: The Jazz Thread
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2012, 05:24:05 PM »

Love Rosenwinkle. Did you know HF user Arcamera went to music school with him and they were in a band together, along with the drummer from the Roots?  Cool stuff.
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Re: The Jazz Thread
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2012, 05:32:18 PM »

Whoa -- that is cool as hell. Must be surreal to see an ex-classmate on Jimmy Fallon every night.
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Re: The Jazz Thread
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2012, 06:23:08 PM »

Went to see Rosenwinkle five years ago back in Finland. Great stuff.
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Re: The Jazz Thread
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2012, 04:35:07 PM »

Was on a Phineas kick last night and ended up listening to this album twice:



Mini Rant Warning:


The knock on Newborn is similar to the one leveled against Tatum (and many pieces of audio gear as well) - that somehow the proficiency and technical brilliance take away from the "soul" of the playing.  Come to think of it this is the rub with Bach by people who don't "get" him and think knowing his Prelude in C Major somehow makes them an arbiter of his headspace.  I really don't get who these people think they are to judge the "soul" of jazz music - if you're not singing along with yourself tunelessly while your play 40 minute odes to your own self indulgence a la Jarret's middle period does that somehow make you devoid of the "soul" of the music?  Is it lacking soul because it isn't coming from the same place where Jazz was when it first coalesced in the South with uneducated technically passable people with a whole lot of heart and their own idea of "music"?


I don't proclaim to have the definition of musical "soul" either, but I'm not sure that because any particular listener can't perceive "soul" that it doesn't exist.  I can say that to me it doesn't have to be synonymous with romanticism, lack of intellect used in the music process, or lack of rhythmic and melodic structure and decently tight arrangements.


  I guess part of what it comes down to is this - is soul what the musician feels or what the listener feels?  I have jazz albums where the artists were so drugged out of their minds on heroin  at the time that any "soul" would have been unintentional - yet many listeners claim to connect on a raw emotional level.  Other albums many listeners claim is a clinical deconstruction, yet to watch Peterson playing it is to watch a man totally enveloped in the "soul' of the piece.  If it is indeed up to the listener, then who is to say that a particular piece may affect every listener the same way?


To use fallacious logic: "Soul" doesn't have to exist absolutely (ie on the part of the composer/performers) for it to be perceived - and it's perception is all that counts at the end of the day.  In other words, a musician, piece, album, whatever, has as much soul as the listener is willing to give it.  So if something lacks soul, it is the listeners fault.
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Anyway, I really like Newborn, even if sometimes he flies through ballads and gets a bit too far out from the melody.  He's one of the rare jazz pianists that really plays with both hands (you can count these pianists on one hand incidentally) and he is a wizard with the keys. Ray Brown and Elvin Jones are the perfect complement to him on this date from '68.
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