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arnaud

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Re: Different Stuff
« Reply #40 on: September 07, 2012, 10:33:08 PM »

Thanks maties!  :)p3

Yes, the inverse filter was constructed from the narrow band DF and ID equalization curves Tyll has for his measuring head, see the filters response vs target in previous post from august.

Anything could potentially be used as reference basis (1 or more headphones average) and I can give it a shot. In any case, it should be an average of a few positions just like your compensated response on Inner Fidelity graphs is. I can try with HD800, although the SR009 is the more neutral of the two in my biased opinion  :)p17

Also, in case you're not fully satisfied with your current eq. Curves Tyll, the suggestion I have is to simply record your own HRTF using suitable headings / headings average. You really only need a full range speaker and typical omni mic and perform the measurement in anechoic conditions (for example outside with thick foam pads on the floor).

It's then a matter of recording the speaker response at using your dummy head at target headings and the speaker response at the center of the 2 ears (dummy head is removed) such that speaker response can be excluded from the HRTF. Strictly speaking the HRTF is the L/R ears response divided by the center mic response for a given heading.

Only reason I am suggesting a proper HRTF is that it's difficult to rule any one headphone as the reference anything else should be rated against. i feel the HD800 is excellent, but has its issues with peaks in upper mids. Maybe an average of 3-4 reference headphones could get us somewhere indeed. Let me know the candidate list and I will give it a shot...
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Re: Different Stuff
« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2012, 12:21:04 AM »

Same processing applied to the HD800, it measures well indeed...








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Re: Different Stuff
« Reply #42 on: September 08, 2012, 12:32:28 AM »

Edit: corrected graphs, I was plotting the HD800 again...

Well, the LCD2r2 ain't too shabby either:




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Re: Different Stuff
« Reply #43 on: September 08, 2012, 01:04:22 AM »

I am stopping here with one of the LCD3 measurements because it's gonna get boring. Now, I ask you, which is to be the reference there?










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Re: Different Stuff
« Reply #44 on: September 08, 2012, 02:16:50 AM »

I am stopping here with one of the LCD3 measurements because it's gonna get boring. Now, I ask you, which is to be the reference there?

SR009 = Win
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Re: Different Stuff
« Reply #45 on: September 08, 2012, 04:24:23 AM »

Yes, the inverse filter was constructed from the narrow band DF and ID equalization curves Tyll has for his measuring head, see the filters response vs target in previous post from august.

Ah, I missed that part. More readings to do now. :) Do you have any suggested reading materials on constructing a minimum phase FIR filter? I'm still trying to wrap my head around that topic...
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Re: Different Stuff
« Reply #46 on: September 08, 2012, 10:02:37 PM »

Ah, I missed that part. More readings to do now. :) Do you have any suggested reading materials on constructing a minimum phase FIR filter? I'm still trying to wrap my head around that topic...

Hi ujamerstand,

Using a math oriented programming language (I used Octave), here are the steps:
1. Polynomial fit of the target curve (magnitude response)
2. Create a linear phase FIR filter (symmetric in the time domain so has that weird preringing) use least square fit of sorm sort
3. Extract a minimum phase version of the filter (using cepstrum analysis)

These are typically single call functions in a math package so fairly accessible to anyone motivated, esp. if you've done a little bit of matlab programming at school.

cheers, arnaud
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Re: Different Stuff
« Reply #47 on: September 08, 2012, 10:27:17 PM »

Yes! That is all that I need to start hacking! If only I could applaud you a thousand times. Un grand Merci!
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Re: Different Stuff
« Reply #48 on: September 08, 2012, 10:29:18 PM »

Yes! That is all that I need to start hacking! If only I could applaud you a thousand times. Un grand Merci!

Cool, looking forward to what you come up with!
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Re: Different Stuff
« Reply #49 on: September 08, 2012, 10:30:58 PM »

I am stopping here with one of the LCD3 measurements because it's gonna get boring. Now, I ask you, which is to be the reference there?
SR009 = Win

I see... So, you mean that the Edition 8 does not apply to the club?










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