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HD800 peak. New, old, or simply driver variation?
« on: August 12, 2012, 03:48:27 AM »

Time to address some fallacies about the HD800 6khz peak and new production units.  After listening to Max's HD800 alongside my own and comparing both of our Sennheiser supplied charts with various measures purrin and myself took there are four things I've come to conclude.


1-The 6khz peak and bass response is roughly the same among units from 11xxx-16xxx despite what our charts show is a discrepancy of a few dB at 6khz.  The rumour about 6khz being shelved by Senn are false
2-My older unit has ever so slightly more midbass but it's marginal enough to unit variation, not revision.  Talking around .25-.5Db at around 100hz.
3-We were able to replicate the Sennheiser chart discrepancy in the 6khz treble peak via slightly misaligning cup placement.  It seems to be user error on the part of one of the 16 lab techs used on each Senn chart.  A millimeter or two only effects this treble area discrepancy, no other part of the spectrum.  Despite this narrow that appears to be an outlier compared to other Senn graphs, there is strong correlation between Sennheiser's own measurements and purrin's.
4-While taming 6khz is useful to taming fatigue w/ the HD800 it is not the most important factor.  Elevating the midrange a few dB from 1-3khz does more to improve overall listening fatigue than just taking on the 6k peak alone. 


Number 4 is the greatest area of discrepancy between mine and Max's HD800.  As a result it's easier to listen to his for longer duration.  Mine has a bitmore extended trebel past 12khz which seems to improve air a bit.
« Last Edit: August 12, 2012, 04:09:16 AM by purrin »
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Re: Moar HD800 measurements.
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2012, 03:49:23 AM »

measurements soon - comparing my data with Sennheiser charts!
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Re: Moar HD800 measurements.
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2012, 03:56:26 AM »

I bought 2 used HD800s last week. One 15XXX and one 13XXX to compare with my 8XXX. I used own a 5XX (I think it was one of Currawong's).

I was hoping to find one with less treble than the others. The 5XX had a much brighter overall sound signature which was probably due to it not having as much bass compared to the 8XXX I have.

I don't plan on having 3 HD800s, I'll just keep the most pleasing one.
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Mmm...more data points.   popcorn
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Re: HD800 peak. New, old, or simply driver variation?
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2012, 04:32:52 AM »

HD800 measurements two pairs. L and R channels of both Anax and Max's HD800s essentially matched up perfectly except after 15kHz. So I just measured left channels.

First graph is an overlay of the Sennheiser provided measurements. I stretched out the vertical scale to see things better. Senn squishes everything vertically to give the appearance of everything looking flat. Second graph are my measurements. Note that I cut off the bass and treble because Sennheiser's graph does the same thing.   

Blue = Anax.  Purple = Max.

Looks like both sets of measurements are consistent in a relative/comparative sense. The differences really are so minor as to not have a significant difference. They both sounded like HD800s. We did feel the Max's pair had less ringy behavior at 6kHz though. BTW the dust covers were taken off for the measurement. This usually results in increased upper treble.
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Re: HD800 peak. New, old, or simply driver variation?
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2012, 04:39:01 AM »

Interesting.
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Re: HD800 peak. New, old, or simply driver variation?
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2012, 04:43:52 AM »

I'm chalking up the perceptive differences among the HD800 to whatever recorded material was used for listening. The HD800 can really sound just fine with certain recordings, even bright ones; but the wrong recording with emphasis in certain regions can really screw things up for the HD800.
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Re: HD800 peak. New, old, or simply driver variation?
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2012, 05:17:29 AM »

Here's my Senn chart fwiw.
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Re: HD800 peak. New, old, or simply driver variation?
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2012, 05:22:09 AM »

Here's my Senn chart fwiw.


Hmmm....that looks suspiciously like a HD800.
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Re: HD800 peak. New, old, or simply driver variation?
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2012, 05:24:58 AM »

Raw response?

What hrtf/equalisation curve did you use?
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