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Ken Rockwell and the psychology of liking classic cans
« on: June 07, 2012, 09:37:31 PM »

This is my classic Stax thread cont ... in a more general sense ...

First off: KenRockwell.com comes up VERY high in Google SERPs when searching for certain models. Good photography; simple (old-fashioned = made-by-ordinary-Joe) web layout (the kind web-usability experts like Nielsen and Krug have been sayin' works best, for years; and they are pretty much right); plain, jargon-free, next-door-neighbor-style English/language .... all very appealing and non-commercial ... and "homey" [I actually prefer 'major corporate' sites, like Sony, 'cause I know where they stand]
... and (arm-chair psychologizing here) Mr. Rockwell probab. REALLY believes what he's preachin' ('cause most homo saps have pretty good built-in bullshit detectors)
all this, I'm guessin', is what makes his sites rank high.
But us serious canners know what's what ... and that brings me to the Subject: why do certain serious canners like classic (= OLD) cans (eg., beyerdynamic DT 990, DT-48, old Stax, etc)?
You've see long threads and reviews on head-fi, etc. devoted to some of them.
I've got a lot of 'em 'round the house  -- MOSTLY attic/basement -- or have heard them at meets... and I WAY prefer the latest models.It's simple: As new insights into Nature are uncovered, and science/engineering improves,  technology evolves, and we get better gear (all else held equal, of course).
It's good to have perspective, and some frame of reference ... and maybe conversation pieces (somethin' to talk about) ... but come on, folks (esp. proclaimed serious canners). Time to move on -- step into the modern world.
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Re: Ken Rockwell and the psychology of liking classic cans
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2012, 10:04:21 PM »

Did you read the threads in the soapbox? Also take a good look at the measurements offered here. There are definitely reasons why some people prefer certain older cans to the new ones.
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Re: Ken Rockwell and the psychology of liking classic cans
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2012, 12:49:27 AM »

By 'step into the modern world' I'm assuming you're referring to measurements.  Some of those old Stax still measure better than almost anything out today.  The reason some of the old headphones are still popular is the same reason any equipment is popular: there are people out there that enjoy that particular sound signature.
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Re: Ken Rockwell and the psychology of liking classic cans
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2012, 01:06:18 AM »

Compare DT990 measurements to T1 measurements ;).  Check out my thread about the T1.  Damping is not exactly a new concept.  Look at HP1000 measurements.  They were made 20 years ago.  I'm sure there are new materials and understanding that could make for better headphones, but most of the current crop aren't limited by technology or understanding, they're limited by the motivation to make a good headphone, which takes a lot of work.  Ask LFF about how much work it was figuring out the Paradox mods, and he didn't even design the driver or enclosure. 

I'd like to see measurements of some old stax.  Anyone have some lambdas to send in?
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Re: Ken Rockwell and the psychology of liking classic cans
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2012, 01:12:33 AM »

No CSD but here's some Lambda normal bias that Tyll measured.

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/StaxLambdaSBsnA19858.pdf
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Re: Ken Rockwell and the psychology of liking classic cans
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2012, 01:18:22 AM »

I'd like to see measurements of some old stax.  Anyone have some lambdas to send in?

Not really *old* but I've got a 404LE I've been meaning to send in, now that Marv's got a stat amp. I'd think that all lambdas would measure pretty closely.
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Re: Ken Rockwell and the psychology of liking classic cans
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2012, 01:30:42 AM »

Do it! 
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Re: Ken Rockwell and the psychology of liking classic cans
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2012, 04:44:36 AM »

...but most of the current crop aren't limited by technology or understanding, they're limited by the motivation to make a good headphone, which takes a lot of work.
Disagree partly ... superconductivity, diamond and carbon devices, more powerful magnets ... these definitely have a LONG way to evolve. AFA "motivation" (or lack of) ... well, part of that comes from company culture and part comes from profit/greed. And I don't think headphone companies are particularly lacking ... just count the EXPONENTIALLY GROWING # of can models, can BRANDS, can sites/blogs/forums. Motivation in spades, IMO ;)
BTW, I'm new to Changstar but not-head-fi. Just noticed your ban over there. How did you piss Jude off, dude? I LOVE GOSSIP ;)
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Re: Ken Rockwell and the psychology of liking classic cans
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2012, 05:51:07 AM »

From what I understand he purchased an AKG K550 and the rest was downhill

Enjoy your time in the corner, RD  ;)
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Re: Ken Rockwell and the psychology of liking classic cans
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2012, 07:22:41 AM »

RD popped a vein on the side of his forehead and volunteered.  I'm probably not too far behind.  All the T1 fanboys are on the hunt.


The magnets are obviously irrelevant if a company won't drop .10 on some damping materials.  That was an example of RD's point.  While superconduction is nice, I don't think listening to music and frostbite go hand in hand but that wasn't his point.  A lot of older vintage stuff out performs the newer 'hi-tech' stuff in headphones and even speakers.  Martin Logan's latest stats can suck it compared to my old JBLs.  I'll take my HP1000 or ESP950 over the T1 or LCD3 (once they reach their final state after 'burn-in').
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