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Which Android smartphone to buy?
« on: August 28, 2015, 07:56:45 PM »

Gavin Fish from LH Labs sent me here after I emailed him this afternoon.

I'm about to buy my first smartphone and am not an Appler (for many reasons).

My soon-to-own Android phone will primarily be used as a phone (imagine that) with MP3/FLAC playback capability. It should have a microUSB port, memory expansion of at least up to 64GB, and a removable battery. I've also lost all consumer trust in Sony. Since I'm a not a gamer nor will be using my phone to watch a lot of video, I'm not overly concerned about specs in that arena. The main thing is to be able to use it as a digital audio player, quite possibly with an DAC from LH Labs. (My AK120 has its firmware problems—with zero support/upgrades available.)

Your thoughts?
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Re: Which Android smartphone to buy?
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2015, 08:47:18 PM »

Gavin Fish from LH Labs sent me here after I emailed him this afternoon.

I'm about to buy my first smartphone and am not an Appler (for many reasons).

My soon-to-own Android phone will primarily be used as a phone (imagine that) with MP3/FLAC playback capability. It should have a microUSB port, memory expansion of at least up to 64GB, and a removable battery. I've also lost all consumer trust in Sony. Since I'm a not a gamer nor will be using my phone to watch a lot of video, I'm not overly concerned about specs in that arena. The main thing is to be able to use it as a digital audio player, quite possibly with an DAC from LH Labs. (My AK120 has its firmware problems—with zero support/upgrades available.)

Your thoughts?

Hi Jagdriver,

My recommendation: If you're not interested in specs/video, the Samsung Galaxy SIII has a good form factor, great OTG compatability, expandable memory up to (at least) 128gb microSD cards, serviceable screen, excellent ROM support from XDA/Cyanogen, and a replaceable battery. It makes a great source for use with external DACs - I used one with an ODAC, Vamp Verza, and Geek Out 450 for quite a while.

Because they're old tech now, you can get them pretty cheap. Save even more money and buy one with a bad IMEI or banned SN if you never intend on using it as a phone.

The GSIII comes with two different processor types: Exynos and Snapdragon. The Exynos's Wolfson WM1811 sounds better than the Snapdragon and there are applications and kernels that can make it sound pretty decent just out of its headphone jack. But the Wolfson is only on the international version (or, alternatively, all versions of the Galaxy Note II). If you intend on using the phone as a media player sans external DAC, which will sound much worse from any phone, buy the Exynos version. Otherwise, any Galaxy SIII will do.

If you're interested in a decent phone to use as a phone as well, Zerodeefex has a great thread right here as well that you probably should read over: http://www.changstar.com/index.php?topic=2015.180
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Re: Which Android smartphone to buy?
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2015, 08:51:42 PM »

What is your price range? That can help quite a bit.
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Re: Which Android smartphone to buy?
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2015, 10:43:50 PM »

My OG Note finally kicked the bucket, and so I just bought myself a brand new Galaxy Note 2, SGH-i317. $175 on eBay. The last official software update as of this month is 4.4.2 KK, and using Nova launcher it can be made to look somewhat like Lollipop, minus things like the notification shade. Since it's your first smartphone, I'm going to assume that you're not interested in rooting/flashing custom roms, etc, so a bootloader locked phone shouldn't bother you. If you're looking for something that's dirt cheap, and you don't care about 1080p+ screens and having a Snapdragon 80x, it's not a bad option. I bought it because I wanted to spend as little money as possible, and I hate on-screen buttons which is what the vast majority of Android phones have.

If you are thinking about importing a phone or buying an international model, be sure to check the supported bands. In the old 3G days as long as it supported 850/1900 which pretty much all EU market phones do, you were gold. Not anymore. AT&T LTE uses Band 17(700Mhz), Band 5(850Mhz), Band 2(1900Mhz), and Band 4(1700/2100Mhz). International phones tend not to support all of these bands, at least for the time being, so you'll be stuck on HSPA+. The same is true for T-mobile, although if you're not in an area where they've expanded 1900 support, then you'll be knocked all the way back to EDGE, which is pretty much unusable. Most EU phones don't have support for T-mobile's much more common 1700 AWS 3G band.

Of course if you're on Sprint on Verizon, none of this applies to you. You buy what they sell you.
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Re: Which Android smartphone to buy?
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2015, 12:54:33 AM »

Galaxy Note 4 is your safest bet.
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Re: Which Android smartphone to buy?
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2015, 04:28:45 AM »

Galaxy Note 4 is your safest bet.

That's what I use. Great phone all around. I definitely won't be upgrading to the Note 5, that's for fucking sure.

Also,+1 for Dave's comments. I sold Luis both of my old AT&T Note 2's (that I had bootloader unlocked and custom kerneled/ROMed). That phone is a workhorse.
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Re: Which Android smartphone to buy?
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2015, 04:59:29 AM »

That's what I use. Great phone all around. I definitely won't be upgrading to the Note 5, that's for fucking sure.

Also,+1 for Dave's comments. I sold Luis both of my old AT&T Note 2's (that I had bootloader unlocked and custom kerneled/ROMed). That phone is a workhorse.

It's definitely a good very cheap option if you want a big screen, don't care that it's not 1080p or need the latest and greatest camera, and you want hardware buttons, expandable storage, and a big battery. It actually has more capacity than the GN5 does, and will stomp it in terms of screen on time. I definitely preferred the textured back cover of my old Note to the gloss on this one, but at least it's easily replaceable if it gets scratched up, unlike the Note 5. Even if they stick with sealed batteries in the future, I hope Samsung at least goes back to removable back covers, similar to the OnePlus 2.
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Re: Which Android smartphone to buy?
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2015, 05:16:26 AM »

If you've never owned a smartphone, I'd strongly suggest going for a device without dedicated capacitive buttons. All of the research I've been privy to shows that the navigation paradigm stocl android is using today is significantly easier for new users than Samsung's dedicated capacitive buttons.

Depending on price, I'd recommend the G4. If you really must have a Samsung device and want something hefty, go for a note 4. That being said, having used a nexus 6 extensively for the past year and had a note 4 on and off, I'm still embarrassed by the perceived UI latency of Samsung devices.

If you're willing to sacrifice the removable battery, I find the new Moto G 2015 to be a great device for a great price. I will try the Moto X Play out soon as well.
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Re: Which Android smartphone to buy?
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2015, 03:49:47 PM »

If you've never owned a smartphone, I'd strongly suggest going for a device without dedicated capacitive buttons. All of the research I've been privy to shows that the navigation paradigm stocl android is using today is significantly easier for new users than Samsung's dedicated capacitive buttons.

Depending on price, I'd recommend the G4. If you really must have a Samsung device and want something hefty, go for a note 4. That being said, having used a nexus 6 extensively for the past year and had a note 4 on and off, I'm still embarrassed by the perceived UI latency of Samsung devices.

If you're willing to sacrifice the removable battery, I find the new Moto G 2015 to be a great device for a great price. I will try the Moto X Play out soon as well.

The biggest issue I can see with hardware buttons, particularly on older pre GS5/GN4 Samsungs, is the menu key. It's technically been deprecated for years now, and yet a lot of applications are still coded to use it, either by duplicating their on screen menu button, or with some other pop up menu. On other applications it does absolutely nothing.

Once they made the switch to the dedicated recent apps button though, their buttons behave pretty much like everyone else's. One of the things I like about Android is that the choice of button type is up to you, and I'm glad that there are plenty of manufacturers still supporting both formats, regardless of what Google may or may not want. SD card support on the other hand seems to be largely going the way of the Dodo.

Personally I hope more Chinese companies start offering North American specific models with support for AT&T LTE bands. I'm curious about the Xiaomi Mi Note Pro for example, but I'm not going to go back to a 3G only phone. I've never liked HTC's current One design, and considering their financial situation, it seems like I'm not alone there. Same thing with Sony. The Xperia design is just a boring flat slab that they keep relaunching every 6 months and nobody seems to care.

The new X Play/X Pure is cool, and you can actually make it look interesting via Moto Maker. With the very reasonable price, LESS than the ZTE phone, I think it'll likely do very well for them. The Axon I expect will probably bomb. $450 is too step for what it offers, and the design is pretty cheesy, like an obviously fake knockoff designer handbag.
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Re: Which Android smartphone to buy?
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2015, 05:54:14 PM »

I tried the Mi Note back in June in China, feels very good in hand, build quality is also great. Mi Note Pro would be essentially the same except for the upgraded screen and SOC/RAM. They don't sell very well in China though, part of the reason being the price.

Moto X Pure is very promising, glad they ditched the AMOLED that they can only source the outdated version.
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