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Re: Dip fix for open cans (utterly speculative).
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2015, 01:54:28 AM »

So you want to introduce a standing wave that causes a hump at 2kHz?

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Re: Dip fix for open cans (utterly speculative).
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2015, 04:00:00 AM »

Won't this deliver the 2khz at a different time than normally, creating a bit of blurriness?
Yup, you're going to have a delay.

Would moving the diaphragm distance reduce the standing wave without making the waves arrive out of phase? Assuming the dip is being caused by a standing wave. Does the driver really cover a good area of the skull?
Moving it will just give you a standing wave of different frequency.
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Re: Dip fix for open cans (utterly speculative).
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2015, 02:02:41 PM »

Yup, you're going to have a delay.
Moving it will just give you a standing wave of different frequency.

Just thinking. Ear canal closed on one end. Headphone open at the other. Tube closed at one end. Some frequencies will always have a node at the eardrum and an anti-node out of the headphone.  Wonder what the length of the whole thing is?  It would occur at odd multiples of 1/4 the wavelength. Too early for this.
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Re: Dip fix for open cans (utterly speculative).
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2015, 02:45:22 PM »

How will you guys ensure only 2kHz is 'reflected' and fixes 'the problem' WITHOUT having to deal with reflections and comb effects of all other frequencies bouncing of that reflector ?
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Re: Dip fix for open cans (utterly speculative).
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2015, 04:59:33 PM »

Hm yes, the sceptics are probably right..

But one thing often forgotten, it seems to me: For the sound wavelengths in question, the side of the skull must be considered a big flat area, from where a good deal of energy is bounced back. Forget the tiny opening of the ear canal, and other irregularities of the bone!

1. Placing a big, flat, sound-producing membrane parallel to this surface and right outside it must cause cancelling of some frequencies and strengthening others (a comb filter effect already!),  with the important addition that the outer ear + layers of hair and flesh (in various amounts from person to person) will dampen much of the higher order reflections. An additional reflector (as the one suggested) could be dampened in the same way, with a few layers of sound absorbing material, no problem. It need not be flesh and hair in some exact amount.

2. If the original dip in the FR of the headphones is created by standing waves/resonance, the units behavior in the time domain is already compromised. I wonder if  this to some extent would not be straightened out if one added a counter-force just big enough to see the FR improved.

3. Remember also: We are trying to minimize an error that may not even be very disturbing to  many people in the first place. A 50%-to 75% success would be a complete success! (30% improvement perhaps not bad at all).
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Re: Dip fix for open cans (utterly speculative).
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2015, 01:21:18 AM »

A different ear pads that aren't made to be jerg-like will fix that dip, so no need for all this mumble jumble IMO.

Alternatively, if one really likes the stock ear pads and would like to artificially add to the dip to flatten it out (and risk increasing distortion), then just do back damping. You'll still get reflections from back damping.
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Re: Dip fix for open cans (utterly speculative).
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2015, 01:43:58 AM »

Hey Bill-p,
A good possiblity you may have an LCD-2r2 to experiment with when you return. Leaning away from the Fazor RMA's.
Hope you are enjoying your trip, and the candy coupler is coming along.  :)p7
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