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Author Topic: Let's talk about dynamic range of headphones, and perceived detail.  (Read 2712 times)

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It is certain that headphones themselves can compress the sound (not just recording.)

I'd like to discuss about this issue, particularly regarding the release of HE-1000, the headphones with incredibly large dynamic range. Some people say this results in softer part being actually softer and louder part being louder. This seems to appear as hiding 'smaller details' because they sound softer compared to other headphones which have less dynamic range, which leads into compression of the sound, making the 'smaller details' louder.

Basically, compressing the sound makes the softer part of music louder while louder part softer, which, technically, brings out details.

That said, I decided to use "night mode" on Jriver, which is a sort of compressor for sound. It is YMMV, but the sound gets more exciting and engaging. I know some of you guys may do not like apply DSP, but for me this is the easiest improvement for HE-1000, and I certainly like the result despite some flaws I heard (such as audible distortion when the sound peaks too long for certain tracks)


That said, this reminds me one of the Skylar Gray's (AudioQuest Nighthawk developer) comments regarding dynamic vs orthos. Bolded by me.

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At this point, however, I have no plans to do a planar since I think there are inherent disadvantages compared to dynamic drivers. For instance, to achieve bass extension, the diaphragm must be very large, necessitating larger/more magnets as well. So there is a weight and size advantage to dynamic headphones in that these can almost always be less. Also, planar diaphragm movement is quite limited, so dynamic range impact will be inferior, in my opinion, to moving coil drivers which can have high excursion. Further, the motion of the super-thin planar membrane can never be pistonic and will inherently exhibit modal break-ups and irregular behavior as it constantly flexes. And because the diaphragm must be tensioned, there will be an unavoidable resonance coloration based on this tension. Then we have the problem of magnets obstructing the wavefront, which regardless of how these elements are shaped or contoured will present another type of coloration. There are also pressure issues with the front cavity which can be fatiguing over time and require more audio quality compromises to overcome. The list goes on. There are many problems with planars that either don't exist with dynamics or can be fairly easily avoided without making serious concessions from a design and audio quality perspective.

If what he says is correct, it can be one of the explanations that people tend to feel orthodynamic headphones bringing more detail than dynamic headphones. It may be because orthodynamic headphones compress the sound more, resulting in softer part getting louder which allows people to hear the details easier.

I am not quite certain this is good thing or not. Probably it's not a good thing because compressed sound is not really a natural, original sound.
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It would be more like clipping than compression and would be quite measurable.
At higher SPL the distortion would increase.
Compressing would mean non linear behaviour and can happen when the voicecoil excursion is larger than the voicecoil height/magnetic field/gap.
Easily happens with loudspeakers.

As Tyll measures at 90 dB SPL and 100dB SPL and looking at plots from planars there seems to be little indication of 'clipping' because of maximum excursions by membranes.

Of course larger dynamic drivers do not act piston alike as well, I would expect more cone breakup for most dynamic drivers (perhaps with the exception of HD800 drivers due to their construction.

It will be hard to measure linearity for smaller signals, larger ones should be easier.
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I decided to use "night mode" on Jriver, which is a sort of compressor for sound. It is YMMV, but the sound gets more exciting and engaging.

Do you remember the "loudness" button that some amplifiers used [?] to have? It applies EQ, increasing the high and low end so that they can still be heard at over-all lower volume. It ain't high-fidelity but it certainly had its uses
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I see. But that's not really a dynamic compressor.


It seems foobar has some interesting plugins.....
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In terms of sonic performance, dynamics have always seemed...what's the word....more dynamic to my ears. 8)

Particularly vs e-stats which are obviously more compressed, less explosive in terms of macro dynamics. Doesn't matter if you listen at 40dB I guess where nothing can be explosive or hard-hitting anyway.

Vs planar magnetics it varies. As one of the Audeze apologists on this forum, I've always felt that the original pre-Fazor versions were pretty damn dynamic and explosive, particularly in the bass. The Hifiman headphones not so much, as they've always seemed to have that smoother, more polite macro-dynamic quality. Different than the e-stats, but I think that might be what you're talking about.
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Well, considering that reproducing the same dynamic response I can get from a dynamic causes electrostats to bounce off their stators that should probably tell us something.

I'm also not sure I agree with the statement that orthos are generally perceived to be more detailed. I've never felt that way and never had anyone say that to me before. Not sure where that comes from.
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Well, considering that reproducing the same dynamic response I can get from a dynamic causes electrostats to bounce off their stators that should probably tell us something.

What SPL is that at?
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I'm also not sure I agree with the statement that orthos are generally perceived to be more detailed. I've never felt that way and never had anyone say that to me before. Not sure where that comes from.

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First time I read or hear that Statement.

Really interesting discussion about planar and macro dynamic though ... Maybe enlightening for my impressions about the HEK.

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What SPL is that at?

90-95 with the proper Sheffield labs percussion track and a proper upstream that can swing it.
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What SPL is that at?

Listen to something like the Sheffield demo disc at what you consider to be "reference" (the sound of the original instrument) levels and tell us

http://www.amazon.com/Sheffield-Track-Drum-Record/dp/B002OTWRD8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1432653836&sr=8-2&keywords=sheffield+test+track

EDIT: Great minds... :-*
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