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Re: Micro-details... HD-650 vs LCD-3
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2015, 03:11:32 PM »

The LCD2r2, given a decent pair, is pretty darn resolving. I'd put those just a notch under the HD800 in terms of resolution. A recent LCD2 Fazor we heard was veiled to shit. Modding it just made it brighter and could not fix the slow muffled sound. We directly compared that to HD650, HD600, LCDr2 (Craig's A Grade) on the EC Studio/Yggy at the Bay Area meet.
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Re: Micro-details... HD-650 vs LCD-3
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2015, 03:22:22 PM »

Seems like Audeze quality control still can't be trusted.  For what it's worth, I found the LCD2 I tried to sound really muddy, while the LCD3 I had (both were pre fazor btw), to sound really resolving with and was able to pick out subtle differences in tone on instruments real well.  Meanwhile, the LCD-X I had was only average.  Of course there have also been impressions of totally craptastic LCD3s and amazing LCD2s.

I want to say it again but I think a lot of this 'plankton' that everybody keeps talking about with the Sennheisers is a result of their smooth response and healthy amount of treble energy around 4-6khz.  The treble in this region helps greatly with ambient cues and room reflections, so the Sennheisers do a good job at 'painting the room,' if you're looking for those kinds of cues in your recordings.  The Audezes by comparison are either a bit recessed in that region (pre-fazor), or all over the graph in terms of sound (fazor).

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Re: Micro-details... HD-650 vs LCD-3
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2015, 05:07:53 PM »

The FR response doesn't have much to do with resolution or plankton if you know what to listen for. The Uber LCD3 and two grade A LCD3s I had were easily just behind the HD800 in terms of plankton.

The AD2000 which is elevated between 4-6kHz doesn't do shit in terms of plankton.

Sennheiser just makes a great headphone in the HD600/HD650, especially the newer production ones it seems. Most folks just aren't aware how madly it scales, especially once throw the TOTL DACs/amps at it.
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Re: Micro-details... HD-650 vs LCD-3
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2015, 06:45:29 PM »

I'm convinced that the lack of resolution with the Fazor models is inherent to the change in diaphragm materials. Which would explain why no one has heard a resolving LCDX because they've all been built with that new stuff. I'd like to see someone install Fazor waveguides on a cherry-picked, pre-Fazor model in order to verify.
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Re: Micro-details... HD-650 vs LCD-3
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2015, 07:14:03 PM »

The new LCDs sound a lot closer to the LCDX tonally to me which were the first to use the new material.
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Re: Micro-details... HD-650 vs LCD-3
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2015, 09:53:08 PM »

The new LCDs sound a lot closer to the LCDX tonally to me which were the first to use the new material.

Precisely
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Re: Micro-details... HD-650 vs LCD-3
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2015, 12:00:36 AM »

I may have gotten lucky getting my LCD-2r2 when I did and getting the pair I did.  I've generally been satisfied with its detail resolution.  It gives me noticeably more detail than I hear with my HD600.  I should give it a careful comparison with a new LCD-2 Fazor and see how it compares in detail resolution and in tone and in soundstage.
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Re: Micro-details... HD-650 vs LCD-3
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2015, 12:04:46 AM »

One guy here called Audeze concerning possible veiled LCD2r2 and they persuaded him that Fazor is for losers, I mean iPhones.
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Re: Micro-details... HD-650 vs LCD-3
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2015, 12:31:19 AM »

One guy here called Audeze concerning possible veiled LCD2r2 and they persuaded him that Fazor is for losers, I mean iPhones.

:) It was not me!
So do I keep the LC2r2 C-grade pre-Fazor and see if the BW and possible upgraded DAC gives it any help at all or risk having it really really sound like shitty shit shit when they replace the drivers with a Fazor?  Seems either way I get screwed again. Or I could get creative and turn it into a $1000 Christmas tree ornament.  poo
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Re: Micro-details... HD-650 vs LCD-3
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2015, 12:35:04 AM »

Perhaps I should also get a new production HD600 or HD650 to find out if my old ones are somehow not doing what they're capable of any more.  Mine are around 15 years old now.  Production has certainly changed since then. Maybe the new production ones are better at detail resolution than the old ones.
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