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Re: Cavalli Audio Liquid Carbon - pre-order
« Reply #60 on: June 26, 2015, 02:30:45 PM »

Hello to everyone...

I am new here... Belgian male painting artist living in the Black Forest in Germany.... Have been reading through a lot of postings here lately. Very refreshing! And of course some questions arose...

My headphone listening setup at the moment: Macbook Pro (or sometimes tube cd player) - Concero HP - Violectric V200 - ATH-W3000ANV + decent cabling. Ears are still in reasonable good shape. Finished Philips Golden Ears training relatively easy.
Music preferences: Indian Classical, Acoustic, some World, New Age (not the dentist waiting room stuff), Jazz and Classical. Mostly slow paced, even though such things as tablas and sitars can be tricky and I like good dynamics...
Guess twice what I would like to change: the V200 amplifier, it just doesn´t do much except making the sound thicker. A Resonnecense Herus+ by itself actually sounds different but as good, but with some hiss (ATH-W3000ANV seems quite sensitive to hiss)
Now that Liquid Carbon is teasing me... but:
1) Concero = SE (should be not so bad from what I read)
2) Headphones are SE (with such a beautiful wooden-golden jack! Hard to cut that off...) The ATH-W3000ANV doesn´t need much power at all, but why pay for all the balanced goodies and than not use them....
3) Shipping costs + import duties make the Liquid Carbon quite a bit more expensive to get here

So, does this make sense? Would it be a substantial upgrade? Are there any better alternatives? I don´t mind buying used (luckily I got the V200 used for a good price, so I won´t loose money there).
(Other amps which are luring are the Svetlana 3 (Korean tube amplifier) or the new to be released Unison Research Simply SH. These are quite a bit more expensive, and I would have to save up even longer, but I generally do like tubes actually...).

I would be happy with any feedback / comment / suggestion!
thanks...
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Re: Cavalli Audio Liquid Carbon - pre-order
« Reply #61 on: June 26, 2015, 05:54:06 PM »

Hello to everyone...

I am new here... Belgian male painting artist living in the Black Forest in Germany.... Have been reading through a lot of postings here lately. Very refreshing! And of course some questions arose...

My headphone listening setup at the moment: Macbook Pro (or sometimes tube cd player) - Concero HP - Violectric V200 - ATH-W3000ANV + decent cabling. Ears are still in reasonable good shape. Finished Philips Golden Ears training relatively easy.
Music preferences: Indian Classical, Acoustic, some World, New Age (not the dentist waiting room stuff), Jazz and Classical. Mostly slow paced, even though such things as tablas and sitars can be tricky and I like good dynamics...
Guess twice what I would like to change: the V200 amplifier, it just doesn´t do much except making the sound thicker. A Resonnecense Herus+ by itself actually sounds different but as good, but with some hiss (ATH-W3000ANV seems quite sensitive to hiss)
Now that Liquid Carbon is teasing me... but:
1) Concero = SE (should be not so bad from what I read)
2) Headphones are SE (with such a beautiful wooden-golden jack! Hard to cut that off...) The ATH-W3000ANV doesn´t need much power at all, but why pay for all the balanced goodies and than not use them....
3) Shipping costs + import duties make the Liquid Carbon quite a bit more expensive to get here

So, does this make sense? Would it be a substantial upgrade? Are there any better alternatives? I don´t mind buying used (luckily I got the V200 used for a good price, so I won´t loose money there).
(Other amps which are luring are the Svetlana 3 (Korean tube amplifier) or the new to be released Unison Research Simply SH. These are quite a bit more expensive, and I would have to save up even longer, but I generally do like tubes actually...).

I would be happy with any feedback / comment / suggestion!
thanks...


Welcome aboard, Matey!

I have an original Concero (in fact, I have the very first one that was shipped, other than review samples). I didn't have time to run over to my office (which is about 100 meters from the hotel) and get it to use with the Carbon when I tried it out at CanJam, but I expect them to be fabulous together.
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Re: Cavalli Audio Liquid Carbon - pre-order
« Reply #62 on: June 29, 2015, 02:22:53 AM »

Is this new offering silent with sensitive phones like ciems? I have listened to a liquid fire on 2 occasions and the hiss was loud enough, with audezes and something else that's escaping me, that I don't really remember anything else about the amp.
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Re: Cavalli Audio Liquid Carbon - pre-order
« Reply #63 on: June 29, 2015, 03:38:02 AM »

Is this new offering silent with sensitive phones like ciems?

Not according to Cavalli. He said it shouldn't be too bad from the balanced out but that's not the same as no hiss.
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Re: Cavalli Audio Liquid Carbon - pre-order
« Reply #64 on: June 29, 2015, 03:39:02 AM »

Hello to everyone...

I am new here... Belgian male painting artist living in the Black Forest in Germany.... Have been reading through a lot of postings here lately. Very refreshing! And of course some questions arose...

My headphone listening setup at the moment: Macbook Pro (or sometimes tube cd player) - Concero HP - Violectric V200 - ATH-W3000ANV + decent cabling. Ears are still in reasonable good shape. Finished Philips Golden Ears training relatively easy.

Guess twice what I would like to change: the V200 amplifier, it just doesn´t do much except making the sound thicker. A Resonnecense Herus+ by itself actually sounds different but as good, but with some hiss (ATH-W3000ANV seems quite sensitive to hiss)
Now that Liquid Carbon is teasing me... but:
1) Concero = SE (should be not so bad from what I read)
2) Headphones are SE (with such a beautiful wooden-golden jack! Hard to cut that off...) The ATH-W3000ANV doesn´t need much power at all, but why pay for all the balanced goodies and than not use them....
3) Shipping costs + import duties make the Liquid Carbon quite a bit more expensive to get here

I would be happy with any feedback / comment / suggestion!
thanks...


I always hesitate to recommend that people spend more money if there aren't going to be any substantial improvements. The W3000 is ridiculously easy to drive, and because of that, really doesn't benefit from most amps. Have to be careful with gain, because with the super high sensitivity, some amps will have hiss. The W3000 doesn't really scale that much either with super expensive DACs + super transparent amps.

It's like what you said about the Herus -> W3000 being pretty much as good (but with noise), or that the V200 just thickens the sound which is not necessarily good.

The Carbon will suite your requirements, but taxes and duties will make it really expensive. On your side of the woods, maybe CORDA Classic:

http://www.meier-audio.homepage.t-online.de/amplifiers.htm

Good x-feed implementation too. We don't see the Meier stuff here in the USA anymore, but last time I heard the Corda, I liked it quite a bit. The -2db gain factor on the low setting should do help a lot with the super sensitivity of the W3000.
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Re: Cavalli Audio Liquid Carbon - pre-order
« Reply #65 on: June 29, 2015, 09:55:00 AM »

On your side of the woods, maybe CORDA Classic:

http://www.meier-audio.homepage.t-online.de/amplifiers.htm

Good x-feed implementation too. We don't see the Meier stuff here in the USA anymore, but last time I heard the Corda, I liked it quite a bit. The -2db gain factor on the low setting should do help a lot with the super sensitivity of the W3000.

IMO a Meier Corda Jazz is even a best bet. The W3000 does not need the power of the Corda Classic. When I was owning the Jazz, I asked Jan Meier and he answered me that considering I had a Jazz and I used to power a HD800 , the Classic wasn't a significant upgrade.  Jan is a great and honest guy.  c


The Classic offer a better implementation of crossfeed and a Tonal balance settting.  That could matter for you :)



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Re: Cavalli Audio Liquid Carbon - pre-order
« Reply #66 on: June 29, 2015, 03:18:59 PM »

Thank you so much for the input and suggestions.
I am living in the Black Forest and it is quite difficult here to get to listen to or compare good gear.
In fact that was why I got the V200 because it is a well documented amplifier and it helps me as a mental reference when reading reviews and postings.

One clarification on my first post: The Concero HD + V200 does sound better as the Herus+. But connecting the Herus+ to the V200 is not better than listening to the Herus+ by itself; the sound is just different. Young pirate lady compared to one of Rubens´ models  :)p13. Concero HD adds better resolution, better instrument separation, and little less grain too IMHO.

The Corda Jazz sounds interesting. That would make for a nice small setup next to a notebook. But I did read the volume might be hard to adjust with sensitive phones (too little travel). Anybody has first hand experience?
And I keep asking myself if this would be a big enough difference. I am looking for more resolution, more clear highs, more depth and more dynamics. MOAR....MOAR....MOAR... :)p1 Of course that might mean an additional pair of headphones one day; but I´m actually very happy with the W3000´s as a pair of closed headphones for evening listening when my wife is around. I sold my Stax srs-3030 set because of them.

Another way to go would be to get the Concero HP and be done with it. Small and cute. Merv says the W3000´s don´t scale much beyond a certain point. So would there be a big enough difference compared to a Concero HD + Corda Jazz for example?

And I still wouldn´t mind to discover a small tube or hybrid amp, if it isn´t the warm and rolled-of type...
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Re: Cavalli Audio Liquid Carbon - pre-order
« Reply #67 on: June 29, 2015, 03:24:15 PM »




The Classic offer a better implementation of crossfeed and a Tonal balance settting.  That could matter for you :)





I really do like crossfeed especially for those hard panned Indian classical recordings, but I already do use toneboosters Isone for such cases, which works great.
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Re: Cavalli Audio Liquid Carbon - pre-order
« Reply #68 on: June 29, 2015, 06:56:14 PM »

The Corda Jazz sounds interesting. That would make for a nice small setup next to a notebook. But I did read the volume might be hard to adjust with sensitive phones (too little travel). Anybody has first hand experience?

In fact with the Jazz you can't put the volume at Zero. Even with the volume pot at the min, the volume is low but not Zero.  I never found this bothersome when I had the W3000 at home.

For Hybrid My vote go to some Polaris Project . Dunno if the Ember mesh well with low Impedance/high sensitivity headphones but it's a fuckin good little amp for anything . Great buy .

Ember project and Corda Jazz was the two amps we highly recommended in Tellementnomade.org  2013 Xmas Guide.  I personaly tried both and both definitely worth their respective prices. ;)

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Re: Cavalli Audio Liquid Carbon - pre-order
« Reply #69 on: June 29, 2015, 08:51:28 PM »

Can anyone who's heard this comment vs the UHA-6S MKII? I'm reasonably happy with the Leck driving my LCD2 and am trying to decide whether to pre-order this.
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