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Re: Cavalli Audio Liquid Carbon - pre-order
« Reply #130 on: September 08, 2015, 03:46:50 PM »

A few months delay is nothing. I have many thousands of $$$ tied up in a project that has been in the works for FIVE YEARS. Yes 5 yrs. It will be well worth the wait when the designers have finished. Both the LC and the project I mention.

As for those thinking the LC is a stopgap on the way to another amp I'll say this. I own a few awesome tube amps. I am still investing in an LC for reasons that this will be a special balanced amplifier by its own right, never mind the price or other amps.
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Re: Cavalli Audio Liquid Carbon - pre-order
« Reply #131 on: September 08, 2015, 05:45:25 PM »

Just a general comment and observation, not directed at anyone's specific circumstance. Seems to me as of three years ago audiophiles were much more patient waiting for product release. I don't know if it's an influx of brick and mortar buyers or the rise of the #twitter generation leading to this sense of instant gratification and fulfillment. The BHSE and GSX waits were (are?) epic. The Fiio X3/5 was in development for years. JH3A was a fiasco. CEntrance M8 didn't happen over night. The paradigm shift has been obvious to me.
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Re: Cavalli Audio Liquid Carbon - pre-order
« Reply #132 on: September 08, 2015, 06:45:52 PM »

I had planned a slow entry, but jumped in impulsively on the Carbon. HE560, Gumby, and Liquid Carbon are going to be my first pieces of gear.

That's one helluva combo for your 'first pieces of gear.'  I've owned a very healthy number of well regarded DACs/amps/phones over the last few years (many pieces that I've purchased multiple times.. i.e. HD800, HD650, HE-560, LCD-2, Leck amps, etc.).  There's only four full sized, open phones that interest me at this point in my journey:  HD650, HD800, HE-560, and the Code-X.

-The Code-X is exceedingly hard to find (and a bit out of my price range when it does come up).

-The HD800 is picky with mastering.. and I listen to a pretty wide array of music/recording quality.  None of it would sound horrible on the HD800.. but a good portion of it would certainly sound average enough to be annoying.  I'm also not interested in gimping the HD800's technical abilities to let it 'play nice' with less-than-ideally recorded music.  Also, I sense that nothing less than the Black Widow (ss) or a Torpedo III would satisfy me for amping purposes (the former being financially unfeasible atm since we're in the middle of buying a new home and the latter not being released yet.. and potentially beyond the $1K mark when the price is announced).

-That leaves the HD650 & HE-560.  The 560 is my choice for orthos.. the 650 my choice for dynamics.  I want to only keep one pair (but my desire for strengths of each of the two technologies is proving tough for me to decide between either.. and I've owned both these phones no less than three times and heard them off excellent rigs.. so I'm quite familiar with their abilities).

If I go the ortho route, I plan for the rig you've mentioned to be my last rig for the foreseeable future.  The Gumby is already decided upon.  The LC is what I plan to pair with an ortho.. but it sounds like it could sound very good with the 650, as well (even though I prefer tubes with the 650).

The 560 I'm using now is the third one I've owned.. and this pair is one from a very recent production run.  I like it more than the last two pairs I've owned.. b/c it's the most linear sounding of the three I've owned.  This shouldn't be entirely surprising given HFM's penchant for less than optimal QC'ing of phones that are relatively early (and sometimes, midway) in their production maturity.  I think you'll be very happy with this combo.. I'm banking on it myself, as well.. hopefully it's worth the wait.

I don't have another desktop amp so I need one asap.  But this is one of the cheapest amps I currently want.  So I'm in for now but if the hd650s hit ~$300 im out and I'll just get a Valhalzsla 2. Around the same price

I'm in a very similar situation.  I'm currently making due with the Geek Out 450 powering my HE-560.. then, the (hopefully?) soon to arrive GOv2+ Infinity to get me to until the LC's released.  The latest delay on the LC is definitely a downer, but the Cavalli reputation (and near universal praise for this amp under the $1K mark) is keeping me committed. 

I'm conflicted on a phone to settle on (HE-560 or HD650) and that's throwing a bit of a wrench on what my amp will be.  If I decide to opt for the HD650 (AGAIN!).. I'm torn between sticking it out for the LC, going with a Valhalla 2, or the (soon to be released?) Torpedo III (OJ.. if your offer to build it for me still stands.. I'll take you up on it!).  Trusted ears tell me the 650 sounds magnificent on the LC.. but I'm unsure if it'll have the microdynamic performance I crave for the 650 (the MisterRogers-customized Cavalli CTH and Valhalla 2 deliver this).  Ideally, I'd like to have both the 560 & 650 and just use the LC.. but the pull of a good, CS-approved tube amp for high impedance Senns is too strong.. and I don't have the cashflow, space, (or desire) to keep two full sized phones and two desktop amps around.
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Re: Cavalli Audio Liquid Carbon - pre-order
« Reply #133 on: September 08, 2015, 06:56:00 PM »

Just a general comment and observation, not directed at anyone's specific circumstance. Seems to me as of three years ago audiophiles were much more patient waiting for product release. I don't know if it's an influx of brick and mortar buyers or the rise of the #twitter generation leading to this sense of instant gratification and fulfillment. The BHSE and GSX waits were (are?) epic. The Fiio X3/5 was in development for years. JH3A was a fiasco. CEntrance M8 didn't happen over night. The paradigm shift has been obvious to me.

I was in on the CEntrance M8 wait, and that started getting a bit unruly as timelines slipped.
especially when a key feature:  24/96 output from a iPhone wasn't delivered (as initially intended) in the end.
(some chip vs. Apple compatibility / USB problem)

ah well, sold my M8 after a year and moved onto better....
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Re: Cavalli Audio Liquid Carbon - pre-order
« Reply #134 on: September 08, 2015, 07:07:23 PM »

I don't mind waiting if they don't have my money in full. Shady people could be investing that money like a bank or some crap. Cavalli doesn't seem shady, but some places sure do.

I spent months watching the Liquid Carbon and kept hoping the pre-order link would just go the hell away. It never did, so I finally bit. I didn't realize I'd be giving them $600 for nothing. This isn't Kickstarter.

Once it's out or has a firm date--if it's still the same price--I'll get it. Or I'll buy a used one. Or I won't do either.
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Re: Cavalli Audio Liquid Carbon - pre-order
« Reply #135 on: September 08, 2015, 07:33:01 PM »

Just a general comment and observation, not directed at anyone's specific circumstance. Seems to me as of three years ago audiophiles were much more patient waiting for product release. I don't know if it's an influx of brick and mortar buyers or the rise of the #twitter generation leading to this sense of instant gratification and fulfillment. The BHSE and GSX waits were (are?) epic. The Fiio X3/5 was in development for years. JH3A was a fiasco. CEntrance M8 didn't happen over night. The paradigm shift has been obvious to me.

Or perhaps it's because the economy is much worse now than it was 3 years ago?

Also, I'd guess a part of the paranoid (even though it doesn't apply to me at all) is because some people have been "taught" to be more impatient... what with however long they have had to deal with some of LH campaigns.
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Re: Cavalli Audio Liquid Carbon - pre-order
« Reply #136 on: September 08, 2015, 09:14:53 PM »

For someone with HD800's, HD650's and LCD-X's, do you think the LC would be on a similar level to the Mojo 2? I'm looking for an amp that can drive dynamics and orthos well!

I'm also wondering about this, if anyone has any thoughts about it. In my case, it's LC vs BW for Paradox & HD600.
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Re: Cavalli Audio Liquid Carbon - pre-order
« Reply #137 on: September 08, 2015, 10:09:05 PM »

Personally I think the Mojo2 is more transparent. Keep in mind my warning that you must use it with balanced headphones otherwise you are wasting your money. If you want to stay single-ended stay with the LC.
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Re: Cavalli Audio Liquid Carbon - pre-order
« Reply #138 on: September 09, 2015, 12:38:33 AM »

Personally I think the Mojo2 is more transparent. Keep in mind my warning that you must use it with balanced headphones otherwise you are wasting your money. If you want to stay single-ended stay with the LC.

Does the LC balanced not make enough of a difference?
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Re: Cavalli Audio Liquid Carbon - pre-order
« Reply #139 on: September 09, 2015, 12:54:03 AM »

Does the LC balanced not make enough of a difference?

I'm only referring to the LC in balanced output. I don't use TRS jacks unless I have to.
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