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Re: DT990-250 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2012, 11:28:41 PM »

The DT990-250 is from the Pro line.
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Re: DT990-250 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2012, 12:43:48 AM »

Just want to say that the dt990-32 ohm that I used to own gave me tinnitus when i listened to them for over a few seconds, It's not even funny. They should put a warning label on them saying that these headphones are for people that want to test if they have ears made of steel.
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Re: DT990-250 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2012, 01:38:52 AM »

Amazingly the DT990-600 were very nice!
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Re: DT990-250 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2012, 02:42:45 AM »

I've heard that too. The 32 ohm that I had was supposedly even brighter than the 250 ohm though hehehe.
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Re: DT990-250 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2012, 05:50:53 AM »

I occurred to me that one other possible explanation as to why the Valhalla sounded so good with the DT990-600 ohms is the output impedance from the amp. Schiit's website (about Valhalla tab) mentions that the amp was specifically designed for headphones in the 32-600 ohm input impedance range. They go as far as to specifically mention the Beyers 600 ohm and Senns 300 ohm cans. They discourage using the Valhalla with low efficiency, low impedance (probably flat impedance as well) orthodynamic cans such as Audeze's and HiFiMan's as well (Asgard recommended for those). It also probably helps that the Valhalla is a tube class-A amp.

I remember Purrin showed that relatively high output impedance amps can change sound signature of cans with peaky impedance. Both the Beyer and the Senn have a peaky impedance (Senns probably a little more so). Maybe the impedance of the amp is helping warm things up for the Beyer. I don't know about the mid-range though.
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Re: DT990-250 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2012, 06:16:50 AM »

Amazingly the DT990-600 were very nice!

After some EQ anyway.

They tend to make guitars sound too shrill and high-pitched.  The soundstage and bass is great for movies as well.  OTOH they make Kugi lolis amazingly painful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rie_Kugimiya

As soon as Shana opened her mouth I knew they were going back.

Of course that assumes the ones I had are anything like the ones you heard.  The 880s and 990s seem to be more consistent but this is Beyer we're talking about.
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Re: DT990-250 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2012, 02:43:12 PM »

Valhalla Z out is high at 20 ohms. The DT990-600 impedance curve is high, but not really that screwy (slight broad bump centered at 100Hz and leveling off by 1k), so there shouldn't be a major change in FR. However, small changes over such a wide range are usually noticeable.

There's no doubt there was some tube action smoothing out the treble edge. That amp sounded much different from all the others: Asgard, Lyr, Mjolnir. I wondering if a little negative feedback would make the Valhalla sound better.
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Re: DT990-250 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2014, 10:06:18 PM »

My eq settings for DT 990 pro 250 Ohm(bought in ~2008). EqualizerAPO(free) or similar software/hardware needed. PK=Parametric EQ:

Filter  1: ON  PK       Fc     403 Hz  Gain  -6,7 dB  Q  1,00
Filter  2: OFF  PK       Fc   4.654 Hz  Gain  18,0 dB  Q  3,04
Filter  3: ON  PK       Fc   1.527 Hz  Gain   5,9 dB  Q  1,03
Filter  4: ON  PK       Fc   7.025 Hz  Gain  -6,7 dB  Q  1,79
Filter  5: ON  PK       Fc     730 Hz  Gain   9,4 dB  Q  3,06
Filter  6: ON  PK       Fc   2.302 Hz  Gain  -3,8 dB  Q  2,34
Filter  7: ON  PK       Fc     102 Hz  Gain  -3,1 dB  Q  2,00
Filter  8: ON  PK       Fc     164 Hz  Gain  -3,0 dB  Q  2,00
Filter  9: ON  PK       Fc    66,0 Hz  Gain  -2,9 dB  Q  2,00
Filter 10: ON  PK       Fc    43,6 Hz  Gain  -2,7 dB  Q  2,00
Filter 11: ON  PK       Fc   5.159 Hz  Gain  -8,2 dB  Q  6,39
Filter 12: ON  PK       Fc     953 Hz  Gain   4,1 dB  Q  3,45
Filter 13: ON  PK       Fc     456 Hz  Gain   4,5 dB  Q  4,97
Filter 14: ON  PK       Fc   5.695 Hz  Gain  -4,4 dB  Q  4,89
Filter 15: ON  PK       Fc   3.959 Hz  Gain  -4,9 dB  Q  5,45
Filter 16: ON  PK       Fc    31,2 Hz  Gain  -2,1 dB  Q  2,48
Filter 17: ON  PK       Fc     648 Hz  Gain   3,3 dB  Q  4,69
Filter 18: ON  PK       Fc   4.307 Hz  Gain  -4,3 dB  Q 12,57
Filter 19: ON  PK       Fc     578 Hz  Gain  -1,8 dB  Q 13,25
Filter 20: ON  PK       Fc     557 Hz  Gain   0,5 dB  Q  4,95

Filter 21: ON  HS       Fc   6.000 Hz  Gain   3,0 dB

Automatically generated settings(REW) except for filter 21.
I consider this (seemingly weird)result as more accurate than stock HD650.
At first I thought it was placebo. But after many hours of listening to almost anything(including dolby headphone material) I still prefer this sound tonally(although there seems to be a little sibilance around 10Khz, because the correction was limited up to 8Khz). Main improvements include clearer/more present mids, less boomy midbass and very low fatigue(an indicator of good sound in my books).
I would like to hear other owners' opinions.
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Re: DT990-250 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2015, 01:12:30 PM »

Just want to say that the dt990-32 ohm that I used to own gave me tinnitus when i listened to them for over a few seconds, It's not even funny. They should put a warning label on them saying that these headphones are for people that want to test if they have ears made of steel.

Sorry I know this is a bit of an old thread but I experience this exact tinnitus thing with my DT880 250's, after a short listening session they give me serious tinnitus which seems to last for hours afterwards, I find the trebles very piercing. I have the option to rather get DT990 600's will they be smoother on the treble side that the DT880 250?
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Re: DT990-250 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2015, 03:45:58 PM »



My take on the DT990 Pro in 250Ω impedance.

This one has black velours pads, these pads measure exactly the same as the grey DT990 pads.
These headphones are very comfortable and have a decent clamping force, slightly higher than the edition version.

The cable for the Pro version is partly curled and rigid. Not ideal when using it on the go but it is not intended for that anyway.
The coiled cable is better suited for studio work. The plug is 3.5mm and comes with a 6.3mm adapter.

Below the frequency response of the DT990Pro (left, right):



This represents pretty well how it sounds. It is U-shaped and has lots of 'warmth' and is bassy. It also has a LOT of treble energy up top.

Below the CSD of the stock DT990Pro - 250 (left, right) It is actually pretty decent and doesn't show any long lived resonances that may be problematic.




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