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Re: Soren's R-2R Dac
« Reply #50 on: March 14, 2015, 12:31:25 PM »

Hey all - grab the CrapMagic filter from the diyaudio filter thread. By far the best yet. Very very nice.
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Re: Soren's R-2R Dac
« Reply #51 on: March 20, 2015, 07:31:37 AM »

Following this thread and hifiduino's blog with a lot of interest!

By way of background - I have really enjoyed building a couple of bh amps, battery powered amps and have a wire se-se half done on my bench, but I was wondering if any of you more experienced builders might field a couple of total nub questions regarding diy dac setups and power supplies as I try to envision, big picture, what a soekris build might look like. 

The new details spelled out on hifiduino (https://hifiduino.wordpress.com/2015/03/16/soekris-dam-1021-r-2r-dac-users-guide/), appear to use three regulated psu's: (1) running into the pwr in headers on the main dac board, in liue of powering it with ac straight from a transformer; (2) to power a diyinhk usb -> i2s source, which evidently has superior oscillators to an amanero but requires an external 3.3v power source; and (3) for the iso +3.3v header on the dac board.  I guess maybe the i2s and iso +3.3v can both be powered off a dual board like: http://www.diyinhk.com/shop/audio-kits/46-17uv-ultralow-noise-dac-power-supply-regulator-33v55v-1ax4.html ?  Do I have that much right? 

I gather the far simpler, but less sophisticated alternative, would be to run a single transformer straight to the dac board to take advantage of the onboard supply, and then to add in something like an amanero for usb -> i2s.  amanero also has a 3.3v ouput, and then you use that to power the iso +3.3v?

If you run the more complex setup, I understand this will require an appropriate transformer for each psu board.  Can those transformers simply be wired in parallel with the IEC jack?  And is it standard practice, as in the case of bh kits, to connect the earth ground pin of the IEC to the chassis?  I'm comfortable (I think) with wiring up the signal portion of the build, but I wish I could find a simple primer on how to properly wire the IEC, transformer(s), and psu board end of things.  I know for example, properly mounting a transformer with isolation washers in the right locations is critical to a safe build, but without a manual to guide me, I'm afraid I'm clueless.  (E.g., Hifiduino depicts an amveco transformer on the page linked above that looks like it is intended for through-hole mounting.  How would one go about putting something like that in a standard chassis - up on a breadboard on standoffs?)  Thanks much for any guidance you guys can offer.
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Re: Soren's R-2R Dac
« Reply #52 on: March 20, 2015, 10:21:34 AM »

Here is my take:



It is the 0,05% version, my opinion on this is that it would not make any audible difference (but some may disagree), and makes the project quite cheaper.

DIYInhk receiver: http://www.diyinhk.com/shop/audio-kits/58-xmos-dsd-dxd-384khz-high-quality-usb-to-i2s-pcb.html
with lm317@ 3,3v supplying also the board, and the board supplied with lm317/337 @+/-12V

In cheap project box which i modified slightly (with allen screws in front) and added the receiver's frequency lock leds on the faceplate.



At the moment stock filters and long term listening.

Next will be triple Salas Bib's and a line stage.

Looking at the AMB a20 would you recommend this? is there anything else that doesn't go stellar in price? (only class A solid state)

I like this very much, and i might say that soundstage is greater then the Audiobyte Black Dragon i was listening to for a few days. Detail is great without being fatiguing, and as you can see i am listening through a system that could cause fatigue (mojo/hd800's), overall a happy sailor, i am.


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Re: Soren's R-2R Dac
« Reply #53 on: March 20, 2015, 12:50:05 PM »

Nice work Chris! Yep, raw output is definitely better. Be sure to provide high quality 3.3v to the 'dirty' ISO connection; makes an audible improvement. If the BIB's are for upgrading the power of this DAC, I'd highly suggest the Reflector-D's instead. BIB's are great for analog, Reflector-D's will excel powering digital circuits.
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Re: Soren's R-2R Dac
« Reply #54 on: March 20, 2015, 01:51:39 PM »

I have already parts and boards for Bib, i dont have anything for the Reflector_D, i thought it should be ok, or do you recomend me getting them?

I am trying to avoid extra expences if possible with out having to loose out on performance.
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Re: Soren's R-2R Dac
« Reply #55 on: March 20, 2015, 02:43:59 PM »

BIB's pretty good with digital circuits - you'll want to use Silmic II's or similar at key cap positions. But - Reflektor-D's resulted in a clear, audible improvement when applied to digital circuits. I have a drawer of BIB's I've swapped out of a couple of DAC's :-)
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Re: Soren's R-2R Dac
« Reply #56 on: March 20, 2015, 07:16:23 PM »

Do they make Reflector-D kits anymore?

I have the Dam laying on my bench waiting for input board and psu(-s).
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Re: Soren's R-2R Dac
« Reply #57 on: March 20, 2015, 07:31:47 PM »

Tea-Bag at diyaudio runs a group guy every few months. There's a signup list - he's close to doing another run.
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Re: Soren's R-2R Dac
« Reply #58 on: March 20, 2015, 11:15:43 PM »

Tea-Bag at diyaudio runs a group guy every few months. There's a signup list - he's close to doing another run.

Thanks for posting this mrrogers - sounds like this gb is worth jumping on as an alternative to just dropping in some diyinhk ultra low noise dac psu boards.  Looked at some of salas' posted measurements, and they are really impressive. 

Do you have a clear preference for the ssr03, as opposed to say a sslv or something else, for the +-12v supply?
 
Following some further digging and reading, I think I've managed to answer most of my own questions above.  I was all muddled up reading about circulating current issues if you try to run two trafos without the same voltage and turn ratios off the same IEC (which understandably, is not an issue in a dual mono supply because the trafos are the same right?). 

[Edit: Or does this issue only come up if you are running differing trafos in parallel, attached to the same load?  I first thought Chris' photo looked like there might be 2 power cords and IEC inlet jacks, as a way of avoiding this, but maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me?  Would you guys mind sharing what transformers you are using for the psu boards and whether you use a single or multiple IEC's?] 

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Re: Soren's R-2R Dac
« Reply #59 on: March 21, 2015, 10:55:04 AM »

I am using single IEC and connecting all the trafos on the IEC output directly (no daisy chain).
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