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Any thoughts about the marantz hd-dac1 amp?
« on: January 14, 2015, 10:55:37 PM »

Hi pirates,
I'm curious about this amp + DAC, I read that they are a bit on the dark side and I'm guessing  it would be a nice combination with the fazor version of LCD-2.
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Re: Any thoughts about the marantz hd-dac1 amp?
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2015, 06:27:02 AM »

Hi! 

I have this Dac right now on loan to give a test run on.

It is a very good product!  I also have a pair of LCD-X headphones...let me pair this combo up and give it a listen.
I'll report back :)

I don't have the LCD 2 at the moment, but these headphones in general seem on the warmer, fuller side and of the audio spectrum. 
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Re: Any thoughts about the marantz hd-dac1 amp?
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2015, 03:36:39 PM »

I am interested in hearing about this as well. Very little talk on HF as far as I can tell. This might be a slightly less expensive alternative for me to something like the Oppo amp/DAC, although that seems give a lot more flexibility having, among other things, balanced output also. I do have other Marantz gear so this would fit in nicely in  my home.

Also, like the Oppo this has a remote. Most head amps do not which I believe is because they are designed for desktop use. That is not my situation at all and it is a real pain if I need to change volume manually track-to-track or album-to-album. So, Oppo and Marantz seem to be nice all-in-one solutions that would work nicely for me.
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Re: Any thoughts about the marantz hd-dac1 amp?
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2015, 07:08:50 PM »

Great news shaizada, I'm waiting for your impressions.
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Re: Any thoughts about the marantz hd-dac1 amp?
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2015, 04:55:43 AM »

Ok, just got done with about an hour and half listening session with the LCD-X (Wywires Red cable upgrade) and HD-800 (Stock Cable).

This unit really is quite the swiss army knife with all the capabilities it has.  However there are caveats.

1)  This is a fantastic unit when used as a pure DAC using the fixed outputs into a preamp.  I hooked it up into an EAR 868 preamp which feeds two Concert Fidelity ZL-120V2SE monoblocks feeding a pair of Marten Design Bird 2 speakers.  Glorious sound...rich mids, a fully extended but full sounding top end and a nice round bass performance.  Now, there is a somewhat different presentation of what the Marantz unit likes to present as "Air".  This "Air" that should have the top end shimmering feels somewhat recessed.  Akin to a warm sounding tube unit...the details are there, just with a fuller warmer presentation.  I like it as there is top end WITHOUT etch.  A Marantz hallmark of sorts.

2) The unit becomes very mediocre when used as a preamp through the variable outputs into the Concert Fidelity monoblocks I am using.  The sound becomes 2 dimensional with very little soundstage.  There is a heavy lack of depth in the performance and the sound just becomes kind of dull.  Almost felt like a blanket was thrown over the whole system.  The sound is more for background listening rather than worth your limited, dedicated, all attentive listening time.  Just don't expect much in this regard.

3) Now for the sound of the Headphone Amp with the Audeze LCD-X. :)

The presentation of the unit changes quite a bit depending on the gain you set the amp at.  LOW, MID or High.  I found that for a most cohesive, well laid out sound, the "Mid" settings seemed best.  The LOW setting just didn't have the oomph or power in the low end to provide the music a basis or foundation to build upon.  Decent rendering of the midrange but the high end seemed to stick out more in the mix.  I guess, there might be some headphone where this kind of presentation works, but didn't work with the LCD-X at all.

The MID setting provided the most even top to bottom presentation where the house Marantz sound showed best.  Almost like the unit was tweaked to sound best here.  A full sounding and controlled bottom end here.  The midrange was again full and rather intimate sounding.  Nice fully developed tone here to voices, drum skins and instrument rendering.  Top end is superbly balanced though I wish I had more "air" around cymbal work and shimmer.  I guess this is more about the sound of the LCD-X.  The HD-800 had STUNNING top end that is well extended and full when needed. 

The HIGH setting is powerful, but the noise floor is definitely increased with the LCD-X.  The background isn't as black from where the music emerges.  Also, I felt the sound got congested where the soundstage became even more squished.  You get your loudness, but the mix really gets thick sounding as well.  As if the room became much smaller.

If you guys have specific questions, I can try and answer them.  The unit is going back to my buddy on Sunday, so I only have tonight and tomorrow sometime to play with this unit.

BUILD QUALITY is fantastic for this price.  The unit is solid, sturdy and oozes class.  Typically never seen at this price point.
I like it this unit and just have never seen such performance at this kind of price point.  I will keep my eyes out from now on for such high bang for the buck sound.
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Re: Any thoughts about the marantz hd-dac1 amp?
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2015, 06:00:51 AM »

Ok, just got done with about an hour and half listening session with the LCD-X (Wywires Red cable upgrade) and HD-800 (Stock Cable).

This unit really is quite the swiss army knife with all the capabilities it has.  However there are caveats.

1)  This is a fantastic unit when used as a pure DAC using the fixed outputs into a preamp.  I hooked it up into an EAR 868 preamp which feeds two Concert Fidelity ZL-120V2SE monoblocks feeding a pair of Marten Design Bird 2 speakers.  Glorious sound...rich mids, a fully extended but full sounding top end and a nice round bass performance.  Now, there is a somewhat different presentation of what the Marantz unit likes to present as "Air".  This "Air" that should have the top end shimmering feels somewhat recessed.  Akin to a warm sounding tube unit...the details are there, just with a fuller warmer presentation.  I like it as there is top end WITHOUT etch.  A Marantz hallmark of sorts.

2) The unit becomes very mediocre when used as a preamp through the variable outputs into the Concert Fidelity monoblocks I am using.  The sound becomes 2 dimensional with very little soundstage.  There is a heavy lack of depth in the performance and the sound just becomes kind of dull.  Almost felt like a blanket was thrown over the whole system.  The sound is more for background listening rather than worth your limited, dedicated, all attentive listening time.  Just don't expect much in this regard.

3) Now for the sound of the Headphone Amp with the Audeze LCD-X. :)

The presentation of the unit changes quite a bit depending on the gain you set the amp at.  LOW, MID or High.  I found that for a most cohesive, well laid out sound, the "Mid" settings seemed best.  The LOW setting just didn't have the oomph or power in the low end to provide the music a basis or foundation to build upon.  Decent rendering of the midrange but the high end seemed to stick out more in the mix.  I guess, there might be some headphone where this kind of presentation works, but didn't work with the LCD-X at all.

The MID setting provided the most even top to bottom presentation where the house Marantz sound showed best.  Almost like the unit was tweaked to sound best here.  A full sounding and controlled bottom end here.  The midrange was again full and rather intimate sounding.  Nice fully developed tone here to voices, drum skins and instrument rendering.  Top end is superbly balanced though I wish I had more "air" around cymbal work and shimmer.  I guess this is more about the sound of the LCD-X.  The HD-800 had STUNNING top end that is well extended and full when needed. 

The HIGH setting is powerful, but the noise floor is definitely increased with the LCD-X.  The background isn't as black from where the music emerges.  Also, I felt the sound got congested where the soundstage became even more squished.  You get your loudness, but the mix really gets thick sounding as well.  As if the room became much smaller.

If you guys have specific questions, I can try and answer them.  The unit is going back to my buddy on Sunday, so I only have tonight and tomorrow sometime to play with this unit.

BUILD QUALITY is fantastic for this price.  The unit is solid, sturdy and oozes class.  Typically never seen at this price point.
I like it this unit and just have never seen such performance at this kind of price point.  I will keep my eyes out from now on for such high bang for the buck sound.

Great impressions. Thanks for the write-up. Is your HD-800 stock. Just wondering if this could be a decent all-in-one solution for a stock HD-800.
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Re: Any thoughts about the marantz hd-dac1 amp?
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2015, 06:11:38 AM »

Hey,

Yes, these impressions are with a stock HD-800 and stock Sennheiser Cable, but the LCD-X listening impressions are with the Wywires Red cable.

Now, I have a Bellatone Audio Reference cable for my Sennheiser HD-800 as well for use with my RSA B-52 Balanced Headphone amp section.  A rather substantial improvement in almost every facet of the HD-800 sound reproduction with this amp, I tell ya!
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Re: Any thoughts about the marantz hd-dac1 amp?
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2015, 08:18:48 AM »

Thank you shaizada, for your impressions. It's a very helpful description of the sound of all  outputs of  the hd-dac1. The lack of "air" maybe just what I need to enjoy a broad selection of genres with my LCD-2F.
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Re: Any thoughts about the marantz hd-dac1 amp?
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2015, 08:05:25 PM »

Well, my personal impressions about the HD DAC1 are slightly less enthusiastic than Shazaida's.

I auditioned it several times and most importantly on my main 2 channel system, as for headphones I paired it to my pref cheapo (Superlux 681 evo) and HiFiman 500 (open back mod). As reference I used other similarly priced DACs including the Pioneer U05 and Aune S16 (on one session there was also the Soekris DAM and Audiobyte Black Dragon but most of the ABs were with the Aune).

My conclusion was that though the DAC1 is not a bad product and offers robust build quality, full set of features and decent headphone amp it does not stand on par with other modern designs. In a certain way it follows the glorious old Marantz CD players sound but that kind of playback wont cut it in today's standards. Lack of bottom octave punch, lack of air and detail. Channel separation was poor, imaging too. Yes it does not have metallic timbre or harshness but there is much better out there.

Both the Pioneer and Aune are clearly superior and set new standards for sub $1000 DACs.
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