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Re: Re: Bay Area Mini-Meet Impressions
« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2015, 08:56:24 PM »

I think Marv should measure a pair at this point to really see what it's all about. Here are more details of what I actually heard with the headphone (I tried multiple tracks on my setup to make sure it wasn't just me):

1) The bass sounded like there was a lot of rumble, but the rumbling sounded thin and lifeless... and not like vibrations either. I could "hear" it, but not "feel" it. It almost sounded like something was loose inside. There was not much frequency extension either, as I strained to cop a "feel" in "Murder Style" by Datsik & Prototype... It just couldn't reach that low, or if it did, it didn't have much force so it was practically inaudible for me.

2) Similarly, there was not enough impact, or any at all. On tracks that would otherwise cause headaches like Radiohead's Little By Little (Caribou Remix), I couldn't feel the thump although it was audible, and fairly tight. It sounded overdamped.

3) Low mid was also forcibly absent. I couldn't hear the resonance of the guitar in Eric Clapton's Tears in Heaven. Strings sounded floaty, and a bit ethereal. Similarly, vocals lacked "grunt" and sounded thin. Clapton almost sounded like he hadn't hit puberty yet...

4) 1-4KHz sounded okay-ish, although a bit uneven.

5) 5-7KHz definitely has a peak somewhere. I don't think I'm just imagining it either. The slight shrill that I heard with the stock HE-560 is definitely present here. Clapton's voice in Tears in Heaven was harsh and grainy.

6) Above that it sounded okay, but the weird bass and mid stood out for me.

In contrast, the Enigma sounded more well-integrated IMO. Solid bass, definitely enough low mid (or probably a bit north of neutral), smooth midrange, no shrill, and only very slight tendency to sound sibilant at 7-10KHz, likely because of a peak somewhere that is meant to "sharpen" certain instruments.
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Re: Re: Bay Area Mini-Meet Impressions
« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2015, 09:01:58 PM »

The pair from the meet is on it's way back to Dan.

I can submit it to Marv for measurements if he's okay with that.
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Re: Alpha Prime Impressions...
« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2015, 09:02:36 PM »

Copy & Paste from the impressions thread:

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I think Marv should measure a pair at this point to really see what it's all about. Here are more details of what I actually heard with the headphone (I tried multiple tracks on my setup to make sure it wasn't just me):

1) The bass sounded like there was a lot of rumble, but the rumbling sounded thin and lifeless... and not like vibrations either. I could "hear" it, but not "feel" it. It almost sounded like something was loose inside. There was not much frequency extension either, as I strained to cop a "feel" in "Murder Style" by Datsik & Prototype... It just couldn't reach that low, or if it did, it didn't have much force so it was practically inaudible for me.

2) Similarly, there was not enough impact, or any at all. On tracks that would otherwise cause headaches like Radiohead's Little By Little (Caribou Remix), I couldn't feel the thump although it was audible, and fairly tight. It sounded overdamped.

3) Low mid was also forcibly absent. I couldn't hear the resonance of the guitar in Eric Clapton's Tears in Heaven. Strings sounded floaty, and a bit ethereal. Similarly, vocals lacked "grunt" and sounded thin. Clapton almost sounded like he hadn't hit puberty yet...

4) 1-4KHz sounded okay-ish, although a bit uneven.

5) 5-7KHz definitely has a peak somewhere. I don't think I'm just imagining it either. The slight shrill that I heard with the stock HE-560 is definitely present here. Clapton's voice in Tears in Heaven was harsh and grainy.

6) Above that it sounded okay, but the weird bass and mid stood out for me.

In contrast, the Enigma sounded more well-integrated IMO. Solid bass, definitely enough low mid (or probably a bit north of neutral), smooth midrange, no shrill, and only very slight tendency to sound sibilant at 7-10KHz, likely because of a peak somewhere that is meant to "sharpen" certain instruments.

Alpha Dog sounded better if my memory is still reliable. I'm guessing (not sure) that what Dan did was he took the membrane and moved it slightly further away from the magnetic structure... likely using felt or foam for the extra padding. This would account for the lower sensitivity (I just noticed he put 90dB/mW in the specifications on his website, yikes!), and probably count as a good attempt to modify the drivers in order to make a better sound.

But I may just be talking out of my arse...
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Re: Re: Bay Area Mini-Meet Impressions
« Reply #23 on: January 01, 2015, 09:07:09 PM »

Greatio.

I think it would be worth it to see some measurements on this one... if for nothing but just to see why the bass was that weird.

I dunno, maybe it'll turn out to be better after Dan takes a look at it.
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Re: Alpha Prime Impressions...
« Reply #24 on: January 01, 2015, 09:40:39 PM »

I did notice the sensitivity was poor, i.e. had to turn the volume up quite a bit. Could be why the bass quality went down - more power needed / more distortion for equivalent SPL. I dunno, all talking out of my ass unless I get one in for measurements.
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Re: Re: Bay Area Mini-Meet Impressions
« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2015, 09:56:20 PM »

I call tentative bullshit. After all the stuff I've seen from Dan in the wild, I suspect the "I think there's a problem with that pair" was just an attempt to save face.

He had the big whine at the SF Bay meet about his entry in the "guess the frequency" contest, he learned how to measure from Marv, and he's pulled all kinds of random shit in the past.


Most of the people buying his gear are looking for "great budget closed cans" then move up the upgrade chain.
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Re: Re: Bay Area Mini-Meet Impressions
« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2015, 01:21:18 AM »

I think up to the Alpha Dog, his offerings are relatively great budget closed cans.

But the Alpha Prime is probably not up to the same standards... especially when it has to compete with the $1K bracket.
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Re: Alpha Prime Impressions...
« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2015, 02:07:55 AM »

The Mad Dog is a pretty good deal overall, though I like it much more with front damping mods. Upper treble can get a bit tizzy or hot, at least on my pair, but front damping tames that fairly easily if you have baby ears like me. I've kept mine around for a while now because it's solid and fairly inexpensive. Just no real reason to get rid of it (plus the girlfriend likes it). The Alpha Dog needed the "doggy treats" to be OK, IMO, but I always felt you were paying more for the looks, enclosure, build, etc. than you were for better sound. Again, AD has some hidden potential with really basic front damping mods.

I would like to get my hands on a Prime for subjective and objective testing, but I won't be buying a pair myself. So if anyone wants to send me a pair...
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Re: Alpha Prime Impressions...
« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2015, 04:31:18 PM »

I gave up on the "Dogs"... so many updates, and stuff like that just got to me and decided to sell my ADs. So I had the Mad Dogs, the ADs and when I learned of the Primes, I thought: "meh!". There's just so much you can do with those same drivers... I would have preferred a new design with maybe different drivers.

Anyway, I enjoyed both headphones and liked the ADs very much even though it had its "issues". But unless the Primes go down (way down) in price, I don't think I'll try them. I guess that since nothing really makes it stand out against the 'normal' Alpha Dogs, I don't see why the mega jump in price... (I don't care what magic are being done to the drivers, it shouldn't be $300/$400+ increase! :p)
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Re: Alpha Prime Impressions...
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2015, 06:02:46 PM »

I did notice the sensitivity was poor, i.e. had to turn the volume up quite a bit. Could be why the bass quality went down - more power needed / more distortion for equivalent SPL. I dunno, all talking out of my ass unless I get one in for measurements.

So the Alpha Prime's from the mini-meet have been repaired. According to Dan, they were "catastrophically wrong", and were still in a prototype phase of the Prime mods.

You still interested in measuring these Marv? I can get these shipped out to you this weekend and perhaps start a tour for anybody interested. I'll create a post in the Loaner section if there is interest.

Still not my cup of tea. I can't decide what exactly about the tonality of the Alpha Primes that I'm not liking. I just keep reaching for the HD800 and Paradox Slants over and over again.
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