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TAVES 2014 Impressions
« on: November 06, 2014, 09:04:49 PM »

Impressions Of A 47 Year-Old A/V Show Virgin

I went to the Toronto Audio Video Entertainment Show (TAVES) over the weekend.  It was my first experience of a show like this, probably the kind of thing all too familiar to most of you:  Major downtown hotel, various stereo setups in cleared-out suites, a main floor area with lots of vendors.  I work in television and stare at video monitors all day long so I ignored the video half of the show and spent 3+ hours exploring what I truly love, high end audio.  Or I thought I loved it.  I’d never really been exposed to so much in one place at one time.  Here are my thoughts on the experience, and some of what I saw at TAVES 2014.

I think I know good sound when I hear it.  I listen to professionally tracked audio each day at work, have a decent home stereo system (Lossless files>Digital room EQ>Peachtree amp>Totem speakers>acoustically tweaked room) and have run a home recording facility for a long time.  My current studio:



When I first arrived at the TAVES show, I explored the dozens of speaker systems set up in emptied out hotel rooms.  Almost none of the vendors showcasing their high end gear bothered to set up any room treatment.  Most of the systems, regardless of cost, sounded marginal to terrible.  I was frankly pretty shocked.  Who’s dropping $50,000 on a system after hearing it in these conditions? 



There were a few exceptions, mostly smaller systems that didn’t overwhelm the room and where the vendor at least had heavy curtains to work with.  This was the best sounding setup I heard.  Speakers from Neat Acoustics driven by Naim components.



I then went in search of what I was really there to hear:  Headphone gear!  Some of the hotel suites had headphone stuff in them.  Sony had a room:



So did Woo audio.  Nothing I heard in the Woo room sounded good and I suspect it was the source material they chose to feed all their displays.  Again, boggled.





These sounded pretty good, though. Found them in a room mixed in with Harbeth speakers. Phones from a new company out of New York called Master & Dynamic.  Really comfortable, warm, balanced sound.  Model MH40, $500:



On the main show floor, an entire hall was dedicated to headphones.  Grado, Oppo, Stax, HiFiMan, Audeze, Sennheiser, etc.  All the good stuff you guys talk about.



I brought along my Leckerton portable and lossles s music and have to say that most of the phones I plugged in sounded pretty good.  Except for the Grados.  Didn’t like them much.  I got to hear Stax for the first time.  I think they had the entire lineup there.  The sales guy started me on their entry level set.  Nice.  Airy, neutral, detailed, as far as I could tell in a noisy room.  I went straight for the 009’s next for comparison, and this is where my most important lesson of the day crystallized.



Stax was piping their own selected tracks into the phones.  The recording I heard on their entry level rig was good.  When I moved over to the 009's, a different, poorer quality track was playing.  It made the 009’s seem unimpressive.  So this was my big lesson of the day:  Beyond a certain hardware price/capability point, the law of diminishing returns kicks in hard and the quality of the recording (and room acoustics in the case of speaker systems) becomes FAR more important to the listening experience than the gear.  I guess I always suspected that, and many of you probably know it all too well, but my experience this day cemented the fact for me.  As I walked out of the hotel I slipped on my KSC75’s, and fired up the Leckerton and iPod.  Damn it sounded good.  95% as good as the best sound I heard at the show.  I realized that I’m already pretty close to my headphone gear happy place.



Met Igor Levitsky, designer of the Oppo headphones.  He lives just north of Toronto.  Nice guy.  He’s designed lots of different audio components over the years and says headphones are particularly challenging.  He’s not a big believer in equipment “burn-in”.  Only brain burn-in.



Very nice rig.  HD800’s with a Questyle CMA 800i DAC/current mode amp being fed DSD files.  The designer built it to pair well with the HD800’s, thus the 800i model name.  $3500 better than my portable KSC75 rig?  Hmmm…



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Re: TAVES 2014 Impressions
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2014, 11:16:50 PM »

Your experience with the audio show seems fairly typical.  Some vendors try to introduce room treatments at the shows I have been to but I think many probably feel it is a losing battle and don't even bother.  Hotel rooms are tough conditions.

Surprised the Woo setups didn't sound good.  I usually enjoy their room and even if one isn't a Woo Audio fan, they usually do a decent setup. In past shows Woo really limited you to whatever short tracklist they had on their tablet. At this year's NY Audio show there was a lot more to choose from on the tablets and you could actually choose instead of being stuck with a set playlist.  I thought that was a huge improvement, although for some reason the Woo rep kept wanting to steer me and everyone else towards some horrible cover of Rocket Man ("you gotta' hear this") to demo the HD650s with I forget which Woo amp instead of letting us enjoy the choice.

I quite like the M&D MH40 even though I think it is very colored.  I just think it is too expensive for what it is. At $250-300 I would be tempted to buy just to have even though they still wouldn't be primary cans.  But they look real nice and are very comfy to boot.
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Re: TAVES 2014 Impressions
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2014, 11:41:35 PM »

I suppose you could try uploading to imgur.  Not sure what the photo issues are.
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Re: TAVES 2014 Impressions
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2014, 01:00:09 AM »

I suppose you could try uploading to imgur.  Not sure what the photo issues are.


Looks like Photobucket direct links work.  Thanks Anaxilus.
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Re: TAVES 2014 Impressions
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2014, 01:16:05 AM »

I quite like the M&D MH40 even though I think it is very colored.  I just think it is too expensive for what it is. At $250-300 I would be tempted to buy just to have even though they still wouldn't be primary cans.  But they look real nice and are very comfy to boot.

Yah, I thought the price was at least $100 too much.  But they're just arriving in Canada, so maybe in time the price will come down here.  Seemed to be very well made.
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Re: TAVES 2014 Impressions
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2014, 05:03:43 AM »

How do you change the volume on the Wo234? Seems like it would be a pain.
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Re: TAVES 2014 Impressions
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2014, 05:55:56 AM »

Well, Stax could change the amps through which the music is piped (looking at the picture). In most cases, that would help as well. But absolutely right, the recording is paramount.
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Re: TAVES 2014 Impressions
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2014, 12:03:34 PM »

Stax are a bit difficult to evaluate in meets, mainly because they are completely open. I agree that there isn't that much of a difference between the entry level stuff and top end stuff, given that I often prefer vintage Stax over my O2 - perhaps, because I only have a lowly SRM-T1 amplifier.
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Re: TAVES 2014 Impressions
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2014, 07:24:30 PM »

Almost none of the vendors showcasing their high end gear bothered to set up any room treatment.   Who’s dropping $50,000 on a system after hearing it in these conditions?   

Yup.


  So this was my big lesson of the day:  Beyond a certain hardware price/capability point, the law of diminishing returns kicks in hard and the quality of the recording (and room acoustics in the case of speaker systems) becomes FAR more important to the listening experience than the gear.

Well.. source material, and room acoustics are two of the most important factors regardless of price.

In this case however, the 009s sounded mediocre because the amp (and most likely the source, but the amp has a much larger bottleneck) was mediocre.

I'm guessing it was too noisy for any sort of fair evaluation as well, judging by the fact that a dude has his hands over his stax cans to block out noise. I hope he doesn't know that it also destroys the sound.
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