CHANGSTAR: Audiophile Headphone Reviews and Early 90s Style BBS

  • December 31, 2015, 11:18:28 AM
  • Welcome, Guest
Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  
Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 5 6 7 8

Author Topic: Theta DSPro Gen V DAC - another vintage DAC.  (Read 14523 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

DaveBSC

  • Best Korean Sympathizer
  • Able Bodied Sailor
  • Pirate
  • ***
  • Brownie Points: +222/-50
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2092
Re: Theta DSPro Gen V DAC - another vintage DAC.
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2014, 05:55:27 PM »

Ah ok. There is a No.35 currently on Audiogon, which did use Levinson's "DRDAC" which was their take on the UA chip just like the No.30 and the 30.5. I'm not sure what's in the 30.6. It was supposedly custom 24/96 capable R2R chips designed and built by Madrigal, but I don't know how true that is. Otherwise it was basically a scaled down No.30 in a single box with a more basic receiver stage and power supplies. The output stage was the same though, just on glass-epoxy boards instead of Teflon boards.

Again though that price is the issue. The 35 is quite a bit more rare than the 36 and 360 which are a dime a dozen, but I don't think rareness alone makes it worth $2500, not when the superior No.30 will get beaten up by the Spectral and Sonic Frontiers DACs. At $1-1.5K, yeah.

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/da-converters-mark-levinson-no-35-digital-processor-2-ch-hi-resolution-hdcd-dac-2014-10-20-digital
Logged

Hun7er

  • Biggest Flipper since the Dolphin
  • Powder Monkey
  • *
  • Brownie Points: +0/-13
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 20
Re: Theta DSPro Gen V DAC - another vintage DAC.
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2014, 06:07:39 PM »

Hi,

Did you think the Theta sounds leaner than the SFD1 ?
Logged

Hands

  • Pizza the Hutt
  • Mate
  • Pirate
  • ****
  • Brownie Points: +331/-8
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1591
  • Master of Revelatory Bird Calls and Fine Art
Re: Theta DSPro Gen V DAC - another vintage DAC.
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2014, 07:14:44 PM »

Cool, thanks! Not sure how similar I'd actually think they sound in back-to-back tests, but your impressions remind me of some of the thoughts I have with my Classe DAC-1. More so than how you described the SFD-1.
Logged
The other master and I invite you to visit our digital museum of fine art and revelatory bird calls: https://www.facebook.com/SchrodsonkMuseum

blue

  • Mate
  • Pirate
  • ****
  • Brownie Points: +40/-6
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 119
Re: Theta DSPro Gen V DAC - another vintage DAC.
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2014, 07:34:36 PM »

I'd add the DCS elgar plus/954 on a list of things to try.

Also a "combo" can be purchased for around 8-9k (Dac is around 3.5K +AES16e+ A decent clock) which will pretty much take a dump on all modern dacs near this price range (the elgar in this chain can be replaced with other things as well).

A couple of friends and I did a comparison awhile back and the 30.6 beats M1 hands down when both connected to a 31.5 transport. 30.6 is what the M1 wants to be but falls short =/. This was on both a 802D system and a Sasha system.
Logged

wnmnkh

  • Able Bodied Sailor
  • Pirate
  • ***
  • Brownie Points: +18/-3
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 172
Re: Theta DSPro Gen V DAC - another vintage DAC.
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2014, 07:45:23 PM »

Q1 is realistic for Yggy. What we had at RMAF was essentially a finished Yggy, minus board errors and a couple of firmware tweaks so it lights up the correct LEDs. It wasn't a "Ragnarok at RMAF" last year. And, when it ships, for the first time in about 20 years, we'll have a new DAC capable of playing PCM as it should be played...similar to the Theta days, but with a whole lot more processing power. And a better power supply. And more modularity. And a 5-year warranty.

And yeah, it was a different world back then--all the protestations of the DSD apologists at the DSD apologist-central site notwithstanding. I had a great laugh when they implied Mike didn't know enough about digital to grok DSD.


I doubt it, since I have not received my Rag after waiting for 4 weeks now! :P

I really hope DSD does not take off; it was not even intended for PC-playback for god's sake. Sony has been downright hostile to PC based playback for many years, and the result is that DSD is very, very hard to get it right on PC (no tagging, no compression, no standard, USB required, etc)

The funniest thing is DSD only got off when people were finally able to rip the SACD using PS3 around 2009, and began to illegally share the files among other audiophiles. Before that, there was literally no mention of SACD on digital audio forums other than occasional question for playing SACD on the computer.

Sony and those DSD advocates owe dirty file sharers tremendously for popularize DSD format... This is classic case of solving chicken-egg problem.
Logged

DaveBSC

  • Best Korean Sympathizer
  • Able Bodied Sailor
  • Pirate
  • ***
  • Brownie Points: +222/-50
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2092
Re: Theta DSPro Gen V DAC - another vintage DAC.
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2014, 08:18:49 PM »

A couple of friends and I did a comparison awhile back and the 30.6 beats M1 hands down when both connected to a 31.5 transport. 30.6 is what the M1 wants to be but falls short =/. This was on both a 802D system and a Sasha system.

Not a surprise. The 30.6 was the ultimate evolution of that design. I've always been curious about those DAC chips too, and why Levinson never used them in anything else they made... that is assuming they weren't just some kind of modded PCM1704.

As good as it was though, I'm just not sure I could stomach paying $6500+ for one. There are a couple of shops that will still service them, but even just a re-cap is going to cost quite a bit. The AD1955 used in the M1 is definitely among the better S-D chips, but it's just not the same.

To be fair to Bricasti though, the 30.6 was $17K in 1999, which adjusted for inflation works out to around $24K today. With that kind of design budget, maybe they could beat it. At the very least they could afford to use MSB modules instead of $10 AD chips.
Logged

Marvey

  • The Man For His Time And Place
  • Master
  • Pirate
  • *****
  • Brownie Points: +555/-33
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 6698
  • Captain Plankton and MOT: Eddie Current
Re: Theta DSPro Gen V DAC - another vintage DAC.
« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2014, 08:20:01 PM »

There's a line for the Rag and they are difficult to build and have a lot of parts. How long they tell you the wait was going to be? Would be good to let others know.
Logged

cizx

  • Guest
Re: Theta DSPro Gen V DAC - another vintage DAC.
« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2014, 08:23:53 PM »

They haven't said anything aside from what Alex posted on HF about gain boards being delayed.  They were supposed to start shipping some today or tomorrow.

I ordered on 10/14, so I'm probably not due any time soon.

edit: link on HF
http://www.head-fi.org/t/731216/oh-schiit-its-the-end-of-the-world-announcing-ragnarok/525#post_10977299
Logged

Marvey

  • The Man For His Time And Place
  • Master
  • Pirate
  • *****
  • Brownie Points: +555/-33
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 6698
  • Captain Plankton and MOT: Eddie Current
Re: Theta DSPro Gen V DAC - another vintage DAC.
« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2014, 08:32:09 PM »

Hi,

Did you think the Theta sounds leaner than the SFD1 ?

The SFD-1 is bassier, warmer, muddy vs. Gen VA. SFD-1 has the disadvantage of tubes, probably high output Z because its cap coupled with caps that are too small, and the UltraAnalog R2R modules. Every UltraAnalog based DAC I've heard has always been on the warm side. From super thick and syrupy to slightly warm. I went for the SFD-1 SE+ upgrades because I felt the tube section could be improved. Let's see how the guys at PCX address this.

The Theta Gen V is neutral to me. (Taking into account things being relative to my own perspective). Benchmark DAC1 is leaner. Vega is leaner in bass and brighter in treble. PWD DS DAC is lean and upper-mid forward. M7+OR5 was slightly warmer with a bit a syrup.

It's difficult to quantify because these DACs of that era are so different in terms of timbre, texture, and tonal density. Bottom line is that I would not say that the Gen V is bassy or warm either. The words I would use are kind of a juxtaposition: punchy, fast, deep, light, fat, subdued, pressurized.

That being said, if your system needs a bassy and warm DAC, Gen V might not be it. I'd use the SFD-1 instead.
« Last Edit: October 27, 2014, 09:35:00 PM by marvey »
Logged

Marvey

  • The Man For His Time And Place
  • Master
  • Pirate
  • *****
  • Brownie Points: +555/-33
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 6698
  • Captain Plankton and MOT: Eddie Current
Re: Theta DSPro Gen V DAC - another vintage DAC.
« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2014, 08:38:16 PM »

What the heck happened to the SFD-1?? Makes me worried as the SFD-2 is en-route to me from pcx as we speak.

I did some minor troubleshooting before I sent it back; and I suspect the UltraAnalog modules. Your SFD-2 is mk3. Should be more reliable with the PCM1704+OPA627.
Logged
Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 5 6 7 8