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Re: OPPO PM-2 Mods and Measurements
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2014, 02:15:12 PM »

Where did the spikes go?, enclosure resonance?

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Re: OPPO PM-2 Mods and Measurements
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2014, 05:04:21 PM »

Maybe. If you see graphs of mine in this style, they're just quick measurements, not averaged, of one channel (usually left). I'll have to take more measurements to see where that distortion spike went, if anywhere at all.
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Re: OPPO PM-2 Mods and Measurements
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2014, 01:32:02 AM »

Wanted to follow up real quick that I took multiple measurements of that channel, and though I didn't necessarily remove all front damping to verify that was affecting measurement, it would appear distortion is reduced in the midrange with this config.
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Re: OPPO PM-2 Mods and Measurements
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2015, 05:43:19 PM »

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Thanks for all the info you've shared.  New user, but registered to say thanks. 

Where would you ultimately end with the mods for the PM-2?  In this thread I see you discuss some damping mods, and in the other PM-2 thread I saw you experimented with some foam filtering that pushed the peak more toward 10k.  Did you end up leaving both?  I am thinking about experimenting just a bit for fun as it is interesting to me.

I like the PM-2 simply because it's pretty good sound to me (I know many probably disagree) that I can power from my iPhone/Mac at a price point that I can take with me when I travel and not look totally weird sitting in an airport, hotel, etc with massive headphones on my head.  I can also throw my IEMs (for in-flight) in the Oppo case and not take a ton of space in my personal item bag.

Thanks!
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Re: OPPO PM-2 Mods and Measurements
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2015, 07:23:37 PM »

Stock PM-2 sounds OK, just wasn't stellar in my mind. Overall sounded wimpier and less balanced or generally less capable than the HD600 or HD650. Its main selling point was its ability to run from about anything pretty well along with looks, build, and fit or comfort. I think different pads alone can make a positive difference, as the stock PM-2 pads leave something to be desired with the sound. My goal with this mod was to see if I could tune them more to my liking with the most basic and cheap modding/damping materials already in my hands. Nothing fancy, nothing advanced, and nothing that took a whole lot of time to implement beyond going through quite a few experiments.

After a few different experiments, I decided I wanted to target a sound that was a bit more bass emphasized but otherwise fairly balanced beyond that. Partly because I already have the HD650 if I want a relatively neutral sound and wanted something that was more fun sounding, and partly because I think the OPPO driver can be a bit weak sounding down low even if it measures about the same as the Senns, for example. I wanted to give it a bit of an extra kick and sense of thickness without killing the mids or treble.

For internal damping, I've attached a picture of the configuration I've stopped at a while ago. See below. Sorry about the crappy paint job. It's just not worth opening them up just for a shot of the internals when I can do it in paint in seconds. Basically, you have the eight middle squares (or, rather, two middle rows) blocked and sealed off, the four "edges" in each "corner" (above and below) are half covered. Then the two upper and lower squares in the middle area are half sealed. These are all still covered with drawer liner.

The damping foam I use is still the same 3-layered configuration. The squares closed with foam more or less control the bass quantity, so it's fairly tunable in that regard. I did try closing the four middle columns before, and while that actually measured fairly flat in the bass, it wasn't what I was going for and may have made things sound too thin. There are other tradeoffs too when closing these squares. More open squares will generally give a more open sound at the expense of it sounding more diffuse, less focused, and, of course, bassier. Closing too many, or closing squares in a certain config, can start to make things sound too thin and sharp, IME. The config I settled on gives me that extra bass I wanted and balances the sense of openness with focus.

Alternatively, you can use more or less dense damping material for the same purposes. The stuff I use is considerably less dense overall than the stock OPPO damping material, so I have to rely more on controlling airflow/venting from an enclosure perspective for bass tuning. Personally, I think the stock OPPO stuff is too thick or dense and stifles the driver's performance to a degree.

As for front damping, when compared to my earlier experiments with stock internal damping (shortly after I got the PM-2), I'm now just using discs of that 1/8" open-cell foam to help further smooth things out. This really comes down to personal preference. It will sound brighter and sharper with nothing in front of the driver. Smoother and more laid-back the more stuff you put in front of it. I will likely settle on having one donut of this foam and one full disc in front of the driver for my tastes, but others may like less material (or, I suppose, even thicker material).

I will say that I most prefer the velour pads with this config...and just in general with the OPPO PM-1/2. Stock PM-2 pads measure pretty funky with my mods.

There does seem to be a spot around 400Hz, maybe a resonance spot or something where it shows a small dip in measurements, that can become a bit more pronounced with these mods. Depends on how much bass you want. This is audible but not necessarily detrimental overall. A bit of PEQ can show you what I'm talking about. I believe you'd need more advanced mods, perhaps even enclosure, baffle, or driver modifications, to alleviate that. I also noticed my mods seemed to clean up THD results on the left channel. After further testing, this did not appear to be the case on the right channel, for whatever reason.

Again, these are super basic, super cheap, super easy mods. I think they work well for my needs and my goals - namely the PM-2 now sounds more fun and powerful down low and more balanced up top. Just more life to them overall. Bass levels are tunable. I think it's a step up from stock, but don't expect everything to be miraculously solved or amazing about them. If you want something more advanced, there's the upcoming Audio Zenith mod (pricey) at least. Not sure if anyone else has any mods they'll be putting out for these in the future or not. The AZ mod targets a different sound than I was (more linear, less bassy, generally more laid-back and a touch darker sounding), but the more advanced nature of the mods do bring more benefits to the table beyond that.

Hopefully that answers all your questions and more! Let me know if you need anything else or have other questions. Two points of advice if you try something like this mod. First, make sure you put any adhesive material against some fabric or something (peel and re-stick a few times) so that it will be easier to remove later if need be. Second, be careful tightening the baffle screws on the PM-1/2, because you can start to wear down the plastic if you get too forceful with them like I did.
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Re: OPPO PM-2 Mods and Measurements
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2015, 04:51:14 PM »

Is this the mod I heard at CanJam?
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Re: OPPO PM-2 Mods and Measurements
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2015, 05:21:43 PM »

If you're talking about Alex's Audio Zenith PMx2, then no. I've also made further changes to my mod in the past couple months. You know how it is...get too used to things and wrapped in your mods, so you take a break, come back, and find something you think you could improve. Lots of the same ideas still, just slightly different implementations and further tweaks.
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Re: OPPO PM-2 Mods and Measurements
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2015, 07:57:18 PM »

If you're talking about Alex's Audio Zenith PMx2, then no. I've also made further changes to my mod in the past couple months. You know how it is...get too used to things and wrapped in your mods, so you take a break, come back, and find something you think you could improve. Lots of the same ideas still, just slightly different implementations and further tweaks.

Ah darn. At CanJam a couple days ago, I spoke with a guy who had a really nice pair of modded Oppo's - we talked for a long time about his design and his philosophy on neutrality, wanted to find him because he was obviously a smart guy and we had a fun time talking about interpretations of sound.

Your measurements here are pretty impressive too!
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Re: OPPO PM-2 Mods and Measurements
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2015, 08:05:46 PM »

I'll post some new measurements and stuff on my mod soon. Maybe. Trying to be more patient, since I always seem to find something to tweak and have to go back on what I brought up earlier. :)

There's a thread on the PMx2 with measurements and impressions from Ultra and I: http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,2117.0.html

Feel free to chime in if you heard these and have thoughts you want to share.
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Re: OPPO PM-2 Mods and Measurements
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2015, 11:19:44 PM »

As mentioned above, I went through several more tweaks on my modded PM-2. There was always something, and very likely will be small things I want to try to correct down the road. Usually, I would spend a lot of time focusing on modding the PM-2 and then take a break. I'd come back and find something annoying my ears had adjusted to previously during the modding process. I'd also occasionally incorporate comparisons with other headphones whenever I had them available to get a better feel for my PM-2 mods as well.

When modding the PM-2, I knew I wanted to give them some more life. Stronger, more erect, ballsy bass and a lifted, still smooth (smoother than PM-2 w/ stock pads), and more balanced treble response. To me, the PM-1 or 2 need a bit more of a bass boost when measured to match the subjective level of impact and bass quantity of some other headphones, generally dynamic or large-size planar headphones. I had headphones like the HD650, Slant, Alpha Dog, and AZ PMx2 in mind for my PM-2 mods, trying to combine some of their better traits while keeping some of the OPPO PM-1 or 2 sound in place. Hearing the most recent PMx2 was of some help identifying oddities in my prior mods, though I still have absolutely no idea what has been done to the PMx2 aside from a few of the pad tweaks. My new mic also assisted me in pointing out some treble issues that my old mic had troubles showing, due to how far I could insert it in my ear. This new mic was used later in the game, after I started picking up on subjective annoyances.

I will say that trying to get a good balance on these was a bit difficult. Lots of balancing between too much bass and slightly aggressive or rough treble. I think a more experience modder could get more out of these.

A lot of the core mod ideas are the same and revolve around using cheap, easy to source, easy to apply materials that almost anyone could do. Nothing out of the ordinary in terms of headphone mods. But here are some things I've changed or left the same:

- Removed all internal rug liner. The interior sides of the cups are now lined with Creatology adhesive foam. Some strategically placed strips around the edge before you come to that grill area, bordering the sides. This helped some of the treble weirdness and likely does a better job with enclosure resonance control.

- Went back to an earlier grill damping/closing pattern. The two middle horizontal rows of the grill are still covered. The 4 outside squares on the top and bottom "corners" of this are fully covered too. That's all. Think of it as an 'I' on its side. This was something I tried early on.

- Still using that 3-layered foam solution, with the bottom layer, closest to grill, being 1/4" charcoal open-cell foam, middle being 1/4" white open-cell foam, and then the 1/8" layer of open-cell foam. I've posted links of these before. All sourced from Foam Factory/Foam By Mail.

- However, this 1/8" foam layer has been trimmed down to more of an oval shape to fit neatly over the back of the entire driver enclosure and not necessarily fill the cup like the other two foam layers. A hole has been cut out in the middle of the foam where the back of the driver is exposed, which is the biggest change.

- Tiny circular dots, using a hole punch, of Creatology adhesive foam placed around the edge of the back of the driver and one right in the middle of the back of the driver. There are little circular dimples on the back of the driver enclosure lining the edge, and I put a "dot" right on each of those. I think there are 10 or 12 lining it. The idea behind this was to help give some spots around the back of the driver a bit more breathing room with the foam pressed against it. Might have extremely minor resonant control properties too.

- A bit of adhesive material from a "permanent" glue stick was applied to each of these surrounding &q uot;dots," and the newly shaped 1/8" foam disc was placed on those so that it would be easier to center and remain centered when putting the headphone back together.

- A few foam "dots" and strips on the back side of the clear-ish, plastic baffle, bordering the driver enclosure itself. Again, just utilizing what little free space there is for extremely minor resonance control.

And that's all. Use velour pads - very important. No front damping should be necessary.

Measurements attached. As always, keep in mind that I make no guarantees for THD results, especially those below 100Hz. This is a limitation of my current setup and methods. In-ear mic placement depth can noticeably impact treble results as well, but the new mic does a better job picking out treble performance than my old one despite this variability. I usually do some averages with varying insertion depths to get the best picture I can. CSD results are based on one take and not the average response, so they won't match up perfectly.
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