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Re: HiFiMan HE-400i measurements
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2014, 08:15:20 AM »

Yes. HE-500 are more neutral. Thicker sounding. Broader, but much lower magnitude treble bump at same spot. Very smooth with jerg pads. HE-500 can actually sound dark on certain amps.


Would be super cool if we could get the new headband assemblies on the HE-500. Still a favorite of mine from power amp.
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Re: HiFiMan HE-400i measurements
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2014, 08:28:30 AM »

Thank you for clarifying...

If you can get past the LCD-2's dark tilt, the LCD-2 is really in another class of headphone compared to the HE-400i. As it should for the price differential.

purr1n, what kind of LCD-2s are you talking about? Do you mean LCD-2 rev2 or LCD-2F... Or some cherry-picked ones that measure well (there were and maybe still are some inconsistencies among different pairs, following your and others' impressions from the past)?
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Re: HiFiMan HE-400i measurements
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2014, 10:17:59 AM »

I think its the LCD 2.2 non-fazored.
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Re: HiFiMan HE-400i measurements
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2014, 10:28:02 AM »

I think its the LCD 2.2 non-fazored.

Do you think (or purr1n) that the fazored one is worse in some aspects? I have a lot of experience with rev1 and rev2 LCD-2s but no nothing about the fazored one except the opinion that it should make the headphone a bit cleaner...
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Re: HiFiMan HE-400i measurements
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2014, 11:33:01 AM »

I'm talking for myself here. I had the pre-fazored LCD 2.2 and the 3. I have the fazored LCD-XC. I preferred the non-fazored HPs simply because I liked the SQ especially the LCD 2.2. Loved the bass, the mid range and didn't worry about soundstage (I have the 800 for that). With the fazor, I feel that some of the Audez'e signature sound has been sacrificed, especially the low end.

Heck I miss my LCD 2.2 !
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Re: HiFiMan HE-400i measurements
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2014, 12:06:41 PM »

I'm talking for myself here. I had the pre-fazored LCD 2.2 and the 3. I have the fazored LCD-XC. I preferred the non-fazored HPs simply because I liked the SQ especially the LCD 2.2. Loved the bass, the mid range and didn't worry about soundstage (I have the 800 for that). With the fazor, I feel that some of the Audez'e signature sound has been sacrificed, especially the low end.

Heck I miss my LCD 2.2 !

Yeah, I quite miss them as well (owned LCD-2 rev2 myself in the past)... I am trying the HE-500 with jerg pads and Paradox Slant... But from my current experience with a slightly modified LCD-2 rev1, I have a feeling I would like LCD-2 rev2 a lot =/

On a mission to find the most neutral-sounding affordable orthodynamic headphone... What I know is that I always liked HE-500's frequency response. And that LCD-2 rev1 with removed grills and felt discs with ADZ-6 cable (on a ES9018 Compass2) sounded close-to-neutral to my ears. But they were too fuzzy-sounding...
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Re: HiFiMan HE-400i measurements
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2014, 04:40:18 PM »

My knowledge in terms of relating FR graphs to what I hear is pretty small.

If I'm hearing some female vocals coming across as a little harsh at times, would that be explained by any of the spikes we see on the graph or am I imagining things?

I am finding these headphones a little "shouty"/fatiguing on certain tracks, but it's not a consistent thing.  Other tracks come across as completely smooth and natural.

If someone can educate me here, I'd be appreciative.

*random observation* - I do believe these headphones and Radiohead are nearly a perfect match.
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Re: HiFiMan HE-400i measurements
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2014, 04:50:05 PM »

Slight 3-4k emphasis will result in shrill vocals. The treble peak at 8-9k could result in sibilance with the ess's? Rather than a broad bump, it's a fairly sharp peak. Because of this, certain tracks which happen to contain a lot of energy in that specific area will hit it -  "spot lite" treble is a good way to think of it.

Maybe Focus-A pads would be the solution?

PREDICTION: This will be a funky one which there will be varying opinions - largely dictated by recordings used.
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Re: HiFiMan HE-400i measurements
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2014, 04:57:00 PM »

I'm talking for myself here. I had the pre-fazored LCD 2.2 and the 3. I have the fazored LCD-XC. I preferred the non-fazored HPs simply because I liked the SQ especially the LCD 2.2. Loved the bass, the mid range and didn't worry about soundstage (I have the 800 for that). With the fazor, I feel that some of the Audez'e signature sound has been sacrificed, especially the low end.

Heck I miss my LCD 2.2 !
I agree with you, I always felt that my new LCD-3.F lacks some liquid mids that LCD-3.C had. Now the mids of LCD-3.F seems to be rough and less refined
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Re: HiFiMan HE-400i measurements
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2014, 04:57:56 PM »

Slight 3-4k emphasis will result in shrill vocals. The treble peak at 8-9k could result in sibilance with the ess's? Rather than a broad bump, it's a fairly sharp peak. Because of this, certain tracks which happen to contain a lot of energy in that specific area will hit it -  "spot lite" treble is a good way to think of it.

Maybe Focus-A pads would be the solution?

PREDICTION: This will be a funky one which there will be varying opinions - largely dictated by recordings used.

If I end up buying these headphones, then I'll definitely give the Focus-A pads a try. 

The shrillness I've noticed is not a big enough problem to be a deal-breaker by any means.  I remember the HE-500s giving me the same problem at times.  I've also only got about 24 hrs. in on these headphones, so we'll see if they sound the same after a few more days. 

My current plan is to listen to these for about a week straight, and then switch to my DT880/Valhalla pairing and see how I feel.  And, honestly, if I found a good deal on used pair of 500s, that would tempt me as well.  So far, I slightly prefer the 500s sound, but the weight/comfort factor of the 400i is hard to overcome.

And yes, I think your prediction will be spot on.
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