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(The real thread title should read, "FAD Piano Forte IX: The Phone Discerning Ears Should Never Get.")


How can I possibly explain to those who describe the FAD Piano Fortes as "an abomination", "a piece of sh1t" or "garbage" that after 8 days with the fantastic UERMs—and while being right in the middle of yet another UERM session I decide, right there and then, to switch to my PF IXs...and suddenly find myself, after 40 mins or so, in utter (musical) bliss—the PF IX is a phone I'll never sell?

Some might think of the Piano Fortes, perhaps, as as adding Tabasco sauce/garlic/sugar/salt/capers/etc./etc. to anything/everything you eat. The best analogy I can personally think of is this: I love black and white films (though there are many I don't), but I don't want to watch B & W films every day/all the time — to me, the PF IX is like watching some very good/excellent B & W films.

Arty-farty, music_4321? Not quite.
Love expensive & exotic shiny stuff, Mr Sparrow? Err, no, not really.

To those (veeery few) who might actually stop and think a little about the contents of this post, and perhaps even show a modicum of interest, I'd suggest finding a way to spend 2-3 days with one of the PFs (preferably the PF IX)—yes, yes, yes, I do know this is not easy—and listen to no other phone during that time. Auditioning these phones in a shop or at a meet ain't the best way to get a true sense of these very peculiar phones. Of course 2-3 days with the PFs will not guarantee you'll appreciate/like/love these phones...but you might. I've said this several times in the past: the Piano Fortes are definitely an acquired taste. A very idiosyncratic phone, to say the least.

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http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Runaway+feat+Pusha+T/3iWFs3?src=5

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Re: FAD Piano Forte IX: The Phone Discerning Ears Should Never Get.
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2014, 12:08:21 AM »

I’ve been looking for any excuse to pick these up (actually the XIII).  But I just can’t get them to stay in my ears without possibly chipping away part of my skull.  I’ll have to check and see if I am wearing them right because from this photo it looks like I’ve either been doing it wrong or I just don’t have the room to wear it like that- with the entire ‘shell’ perched inside the tragus(?).

A couple of questions:
  • Can you wear these with tips?  I know it will probably alter the sound and you’ll lose a lot of the elegance of what I consider a piece of functional art.  Maybe even apply some Comply Soft Wraps tape to the nozzle?

  • Why did you decide on the IX?  Are the drivers different among the PFs, or just the metal material?  What differences if any have you heard between the PFs, assuming you’ve heard the others?

Oh and regarding the thread title:  I can't hear for s4it so these would be perfect for me.   ;D
« Last Edit: June 06, 2014, 12:15:46 AM by mkubota1 »
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Re: FAD Piano Forte IX: The Phone Discerning Ears Should Never Get.
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2014, 09:32:39 AM »

"I’ve been looking for any excuse to pick these up (actually the XIII)." ——— If the VIII, IX & X are already quite expensive, I can't imagine what the XIII retails for.  ;)

"I’ll have to check and see if I am wearing them right because from this photo it looks like I’ve either been doing it wrong or I just don’t have the room to wear it like that- with the entire ‘shell’ perched inside the tragus(?)." ——— Yes, that photo shows the way the PFs should be worn; my guess, though, is you don't have enough room for such a fit. (You're now the third person I know who's had fit issues with the PFs).

Your questions:

a) No, you can't use tips with the PFs, but those Comply soft wraps might be worth trying. Another option is to go for the 1601SB instead of the 1602SB (aka PF VIII) — the 1601s have been discontinued but you can still get a pair from amazon.co.jp; these come with metal screw-on nozzles, one very similar to the PF's, and another which actually allows tips to be used (check these pics: http://www.head-fi.org/t/473263/final-audio-design-fi-dc1601sb-review-or-rather-incoherent-ramblings#post_6411998). I have both 1601SS & 1602SS and find the latter more comfy—with the former only a cable-over-the-ear fit will do to prevent the earpieces from falling off my ears.

b) I chose the PF IX because not only do I like the looks of it more than the others, but felt stainless steel to be ideal; also, the difference in price between the VIII & IX wasn't so big (the PF X costs twice as much as the IX). AFAIK, all PF models use the same 16mm dynamic driver, and those who have heard all 3 models report the IX is the more neutral (less weird-sounding) one.

"Oh and regarding the thread title:  I can't hear for s4it so these would be perfect for me.   ;D"  ———  :)
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Re: FAD Piano Forte IX: The Phone Discerning Ears Should Never Get.
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2014, 03:46:15 PM »

Two days ago I started this thread. One day ago I get an email from someone who, incidentally, AFAIK, has never heard a FAD phone; they'd just seen the following: "It is very hard for me to give this information to you, after a tough struggling with the diseases Mr. Takai passed away at 21:13pm on Jun.05,2014."

I started this thread the same day of Mr Takai's passing.

A masterpiece (a track Mr Takai very likely knew…and possibly even liked): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxuS-KCB6G8
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Re: FAD Piano Forte IX: The Phone Discerning Ears Should Never Get.
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2014, 07:50:13 PM »

LOL… good one.  My Roman sucks!  I can make all sorts of jokes about what kind of Unobtanium the XIII would be made of and the anatomical compromises that would have to be made to wear them.  But I won’t.  :(

At one point I thought I had a decent fit with these, which is when I had that sort of awakening to what these were all about.  And at the same time I found out what the concept was behind their design and the sound that they were aiming for.  When I wear them they tend to fit more like this.  So not only do I get little seal (or tons of leakage) but I rely on just the tips to keep them in which is not comfortable at all.

Oh yeah, I remember seeing those 1601SBs.  And yes, I can see the weight being an issue if they’re worn like conventional IEMs.  I’d probably use them in a stationary situation like I would for earbuds.  The more I look at the silver versions of these the more I’m beginning to like them.  The 1601SSs in particular almost have a contrasting ultra-modern, yet archaic look to them.  I was about to ask a bunch of other questions but you have an excellent post on HF with the PF and 1601SS!

Wow- sad about the passing of Kanemori Takai.  Much like the passing of Steve Jobs you have to wonder if the company will be able to keep its mojo or if it will turn into just another.  (There is a pair of used LAB Is at e-earphone now for ~$1200… they’ll probably be snatched up very soon given this news.)
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Re: FAD Piano Forte IX: The Phone Discerning Ears Should Never Get.
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2014, 11:34:47 PM »


At one point I thought I had a decent fit with these, which is when I had that sort of awakening to what these were all about.  And at the same time I found out what the concept was behind their design and the sound that they were aiming for.  When I wear them they tend to fit more like this.  So not only do I get little seal (or tons of leakage) but I rely on just the tips to keep them in which is not comfortable at all.


It's unfortunate you can't get a comfortable fit if you (really) dig the PF sound. Judging by the pic in that link, yes, I can see you having fit issues.

Now, even with a good fit these phones do NOT isolate, and though they're a combination of canal phones (earbuds) and IEMs, isolation-wise they're more like earbuds, ie practically zero isolation. That's one reason I think the 1602s (PFs) do not come with the option of using tips at all, as those tips on the 1601 can make them sound off-ish (read: not the way they're really meant to sound), hence FAD's attempt at trying to curb that by offering 'vented' tips with the 1601 series, which, though nice, are still not good enough and are rather uncomfortable (in my case, anyway). You can try ordinary tips only with the 1601s but the ones I tried (like Sony hybrids) really made them sound pretty awful.

(PS Agreed on your Kanemori Takai/Steve Jobs comment)
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Re: FAD Piano Forte IX: The Phone Discerning Ears Should Never Get.
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2014, 12:25:20 AM »

Oh, you read my mind- I was going to ask you about the level of isolation.  I figured they would be more like an earbud.  On a side note, one of my favorite IEMs is still the JVC HA-FX700.  However in order to get them to sound the way I like them I need to break their seal.  Otherwise their bass is just too much.  I end up perching them just on that part of the ear (tragus?) where they still seal more than an earbud and will stay in if I get up and walk around.  But it flattens out the bass a little bit (they still have that slightly ‘loose’ dynamic bass that I sometimes like) AND they almost take on an open-air, slightly laid-back sound that makes me like them so much.  It takes me about 5 seconds with a test track to position them just right.  Given this adjustment I am almost sure that most people who listen to the FX700s do not hear them like I do.  But oh well.

So that’s why they have those flower-like tips.  I can totally see how that could irritate inside- though I’d love to give them a try on different IEMs to see what their effect would be.  But yeah- adding tips or making them more conventional seems like it would alter the overall design too much not to change the sound.

I suppose if I really wanted these, there are ways:

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Re: FAD Piano Forte IX: The Phone Discerning Ears Should Never Get.
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2014, 05:09:28 AM »

Yeah the Vented tips make everything sound like earbuds, got them from the FAD/Molex IEM, pretty horrible sounding drivers too.
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Re: FAD Piano Forte IX: The Phone Discerning Ears Should Never Get.
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2014, 10:13:29 AM »

On a side note, one of my favorite IEMs is still the JVC HA-FX700.  However in order to get them to sound the way I like them I need to break their seal.  Otherwise their bass is just too much.  I end up perching them just on that part of the ear (tragus?) where they still seal more than an earbud and will stay in if I get up and walk around.  But it flattens out the bass a little bit (they still have that slightly ‘loose’ dynamic bass that I sometimes like) AND they almost take on an open-air, slightly laid-back sound that makes me like them so much.  It takes me about 5 seconds with a test track to position them just right.  Given this adjustment I am almost sure that most people who listen to the FX700s do not hear them like I do.  But oh well.

No need for vented tips, you might wanna try this simple mod on your FX700:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/703874/jvc-ha-fx850-iem-woody/105#post_10347472

And since the FX700 are still one of your favorites, I really recommend to try the (modded) FX850 some time:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/703874/jvc-ha-fx850-iem-woody/105#post_10345519

(@music_4321: great thread, sorry for OT post)
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Re: FAD Piano Forte IX: The Phone Discerning Ears Should Never Get.
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2014, 03:38:13 PM »


I suppose if I really wanted these, there are ways:




Hmm…..me thinks that's going to prove even more problematic.

(Mr Uncool, thanks for the kind words. However, you will NOT be forgiven for mentioning the FX850s in this thread. If you want to redeem yourself, the only thing you can do is bump "The Official Changstar Hype Thread" (aka the Tenore thread) with a bunch of gushing posts once you get to hear the Tenores…...or, better still, you can do so before you get to hear them.)
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