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Re: Focal Spirit Pro
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2014, 09:42:56 PM »
Spent more time getting the adjustments right, they are feeling good today.  Making them a little bigger is helping.  I make them as small as possible when sticking them in the pouch.


Need to memorize the clicks per side if I pack them.


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Re: Focal Spirit Pro
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2014, 02:22:58 AM »
Quote from: hans030390 on April 15, 2014, 10:11:38 AM
I'm not sure I've found a single headphone that doesn't hurt the top of my head. This includes a softened-up HD598 that I also stretched out to nearly eliminate clamping force. CAL! also hurts, and it's almost too light to put pressure on the top of your head. I am broken.

I have the same problem, even the MA900 hurts my head after a while. The only headphones I can use for extended periods are the MDR1R and Paradox (with the added suspension). Anyway, I remembered marv posting the FR for his modded MDR1R (mod notes a few posts after):
http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,1300.msg34961.html#msg34961

It seems to look somewhat like the FSP, and the 1R is so much more comfortable. Might want to consider it?
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Re: Focal Spirit Pro
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2014, 03:57:15 AM »
Quote from: funkmeister on April 15, 2014, 08:41:10 PM
The band on the AE isn't as broad as on the K27x phones. The effective area/wt yields nearly half the pressure on the K27x. One big consideration, though, is if you're bald or mostly so then the K27x's vinyl will have a different level of annoyance for sure. The shock band suspension is excellent.

Ahh, very nice. I'll have to consider those for sure!

Quote from: Sforza on April 16, 2014, 02:22:58 AM
I have the same problem, even the MA900 hurts my head after a while. The only headphones I can use for extended periods are the MDR1R and Paradox (with the added suspension). Anyway, I remembered marv posting the FR for his modded MDR1R (mod notes a few posts after):

Paradox was still not great for comfort, even after I added extra padding to the suspension headband. This is true of any T50RP I've worn, though. I've heard really good things about the MDR1R's comfort, so I'll look into those as well.

I would like to hear the new Focals sometime, at least. Probably not purchase due to comfort (unless, how is the Classic?), but definitely want to listen.
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Re: Focal Spirit Pro
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2014, 08:52:31 AM »
Quote from: Thujone on April 15, 2014, 11:29:38 AM
IME, reducing clamping pressure just increases pressure on top of the head.

Hmm... just found these online:
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_68910_Beyerdynamic-C-ONE-HB-BLACK-Replacement-Custom-One-Pro-Headband-Black.html
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_78682_Sennheiser-HD-280-Pro-Headband-Padding-Cushion-Strip-083321.html

Might give one a try if I keep getting hotspots with the FSPs.  I knew Beyer had these, but I hadn't seen the Sennheiser one which looks like it will fit the FSP a little better.
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Re: Focal Spirit Pro
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2014, 10:26:30 PM »
Now I know why I wasn't complaining about smashed ears when I first got them.  I spent enough time adjusting them.


Then I started collapsing them to bring with me to work.  And not spending enough time to adjust them after un-adjusting them.


Comfier again.  :wheel:
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Re: Focal Spirit Pro
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2014, 11:06:52 PM »
Quote from: CEE TEE on April 15, 2014, 09:42:56 PM

Need to memorize the clicks per side if I pack them.


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Re: Focal Spirit Pro
« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2014, 06:55:47 AM »


Quite interesting, Tyll's measurements show a dip around 6k, whereas ultrabike's show a peak in that region. Quite a difference beginning at around 4kHz. What do you make of this?
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Re: Focal Spirit Pro
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2014, 12:46:32 AM »
Well, I don't use an ear for one. Also, probably differences in coupler material.
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Re: Focal Spirit Pro
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2014, 06:47:47 AM »
The Pinna may well make the difference.

On my endeavours creating a test rig I found that (rude approximations) of a pinna can cause substantial differences (between 5 and 10dB) in the area between 1kHz and 10kHz.
Strangely enough the effect differs per headphone as well.
Didn't investigate the reasons but clues may be found in differences in the amount of air trapped inside and absorbing properties of the pad material.

A way to check the measurements for 'validity' is by listening while tone sweeping that area and look for obvious peaks and dips (10dB dips/peaks are audible), when they coincide the measurements could be called 'valid', if they don't placing a fake Pinna when taking measurements may help.

When comparing Tyll's measurements with the ones on this site (UB and Marv's) you also have to undo the 'room compensation' Tyll used/added.
This will make no differences for this 'phenomenon' though.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2014, 06:54:41 AM by Solderdude »
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Re: Focal Spirit Pro
« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2014, 06:56:33 PM »
This is an interesting subject. I would think it could be wise to remove the pinna out of the equation. With speakers the most usefull measurements are the one taken inside a anechoic Chamber. So why do it different With headphones. They try to remove reflections from the equation With speaker measurements. Using a dummie head with a fake pinnae and ear canal is the exact opposite as it adds loads of reflections. I say try to make it as non-reflective as possible but with a realistic seal. The direct sound is the most important one as we have a natural ability to phase out reverberation and some close reflections.
« Last Edit: April 20, 2014, 07:07:15 PM by MatsGyver »
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