Topic: HD800 cable? (Read 21688 times)

cizx · « **Reply #120 on:** May 01, 2015, 07:18:43 AM »

Sadly, I actually find myself agreeing that the norne draug cable sounds better than the ZY. I didn't think cables would make a difference, especially with the 800 because of the tiny connectors, but I was wrong.

I found the norne cable gave it a blacker background and drier timbre. I don't know if those are accurate terms.

pyfgcrl · « **Reply #121 on:** May 05, 2015, 04:39:34 PM »

Have purr1n or anyone else that you know of done quantitative measurements of HD800 with different cables? I picked up the ZY 4-pin XLR (missed out on Massdrop but got this one from Shenzhen Audio Store on eBay a few weeks back) but I'd certainly be interested in seeing what measurements look like against the Draug v2.

pyfgcrl · « **Reply #122 on:** May 05, 2015, 05:07:06 PM »

Quote from: purr1n on March 28, 2014, 02:02:38 AM

While we are at it, are the Amazon warehouse HD800 deals OK? Don't care about scratches. And I figure I can measure them for anomalies.

Here's a little anecdote for those looking for a good deal on the HD800. I bought my pair from these guys, which they list as used for $999, free shipping. So now, here's where it gets interesting — after I made my payment they offered to send me a new pair for an extra (under the proverbial eBay table) PayPal payment of $100 more, I politely declined that and I was still shipped a brand new pair. Completely new, unopened, sealed box, serial and hologram checked out with Sennheiser and the warranty registered and they sent off the Diffuse-Field Freq Response cert a few days later. I can't say that would be everyone's experience, but I took a chance, knowing I could always fall back on eBay/PayPal policies and I don't know of a better deal on HD800s right now.

evanft · « **Reply #123 on:** May 06, 2015, 03:52:14 PM »

Quote from: pyfgcrl on May 05, 2015, 05:07:06 PM

Here's a little anecdote for those looking for a good deal on the HD800. I bought my pair from these guys, which they list as used for $999, free shipping. So now, here's where it gets interesting — after I made my payment they offered to send me a new pair for an extra (under the proverbial eBay table) PayPal payment of $100 more, I politely declined that and I was still shipped a brand new pair. Completely new, unopened, sealed box, serial and hologram checked out with Sennheiser and the warranty registered and they sent off the Diffuse-Field Freq Response cert a few days later. I can't say that would be everyone's experience, but I took a chance, knowing I could always fall back on eBay/PayPal policies and I don't know of a better deal on HD800s right now.

Amazon warehouse sells on eBay?

pyfgcrl · « **Reply #124 on:** May 07, 2015, 04:10:21 AM »

Quote from: evanft on May 06, 2015, 03:52:14 PM

Amazon warehouse sells on eBay?

I assumed purrin was asking about used in general. Why would you buy Amazon Warehouse returns/damaged retail boxes/what-have-you unless you were looking for a price break. My share was about what I thought was a good deal on what ended up being a brand-new set of HD800s. It's either useful, or it's not. If not — move on, right?

Marvey · « **Reply #125 on:** May 07, 2015, 04:34:42 AM »

Quote from: pyfgcrl on May 05, 2015, 04:39:34 PM

certainly be interested in seeing what measurements look like against the Draug v2.

We've left same HD800 on measurement rig not moving it and changed cables. Standard headphone measurement suite shows cables as the same. However, different cables to have different resistance, capacitance, inductance.

pyfgcrl · « **Reply #126 on:** May 07, 2015, 02:01:19 PM »

Quote from: purr1n on May 07, 2015, 04:34:42 AM

We've left same HD800 on measurement rig not moving it and changed cables. Standard headphone measurement suite shows cables as the same. However, different cables to have different resistance, capacitance, inductance.

So the cables produce no apparent differences in all the SQ/FR tests you can run, but the cables themselves measure differently when tested solely for electrical characteristics? Would that imply to you it doesn't really matter which cable you have, if all you're interested in is an appreciable difference in SQ/FR?

Armaegis · « **Reply #127 on:** May 07, 2015, 02:41:09 PM »

You're lumping sound quality and frequency response together... the latter is measurable, the former is not.

Kevin5236 · « **Reply #128 on:** May 07, 2015, 03:09:34 PM »

There is no way to scientifically measure what a cable will do in your system compared to another. You have to listen to the cables you're comparing and that's how you can tell them apart. Every cable will do something different to your system as they each have their own associated properties as far as metallurgy, impedance, etc is involved. We've been trying to tell this to our customers for 4 years and it does not seem to want to sink in. Every customer wants us to measure two different cables and compare them that way to see which is "better". It's just not possible.

pyfgcrl · « **Reply #129 on:** May 07, 2015, 03:46:42 PM »

Quote from: Armaegis on May 07, 2015, 02:41:09 PM

You're lumping sound quality and frequency response together... the latter is measurable, the former is not.

Okay, thanks - sound quality is up to the individual's perception. Wasn't looking to conflate the two, but I can see how it looks that way.

Quote from: Kevin5236 on May 07, 2015, 03:09:34 PM

There is no way to scientifically measure what a cable will do in your system compared to another. You have to listen to the cables you're comparing and that's how you can tell them apart. Every cable will do something different to your system as they each have their own associated properties as far as metallurgy, impedance, etc is involved. We've been trying to tell this to our customers for 4 years and it does not seem to want to sink in. Every customer wants us to measure two different cables and compare them that way to see which is "better". It's just not possible.

Perhaps because it's hard to understand how something that produces an appreciable difference in the way the sound is received to your ears cannot also be quantified with testing equipment. Is that because today's equipment isn't sensitive enough, because we're running the wrong tests, or could it simply be chalked up to confirmation bias?

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