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Mr.Sneis

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Re: A twist on the "needing X amp get the full potential of headphone Y"
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2014, 07:35:40 PM »

I do find the HD800 are so revealing of everything in the chain that they are like a tool, but for me that's pretty much where it ends.  They were superb with the Zana, the ancient ec2a3, and I bet even better out of the new EC amps.  So many "should have kept X amps" in my black book because I chased the right amp rather than the other way around; half the times I didn't even know how good I had it. 

I admit it seems like I have regressed back to lower end phones like the hd580's or grados when I just want to "get lost"; I really just don't give a rats ass if it's not the most technically proficient or advanced experience anymore because they are so much easier to mate up with the upstream gear and I'm not worried about deficiencies.

I have had this experience with the BA though, I never fancied the hd800 + BA combo (along with so many other phones); maybe it was tubes, maybe source, cables, whatever.  I like the BA enough and was persistent in my efforts not to get rid of it (so far!).  Recently thanks to Purrin though, I have found a great phone for the BA in the HF-2, and when I want a less extreme listen, the old HP-2 was my previous standby.  Hopefully it lasts.

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Re: A twist on the "needing X amp get the full potential of headphone Y"
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2014, 07:40:32 PM »

I've been thinking about this a bit lately as a type of user-centered technological experience.  Ignoring speakers: it seems strange that the most modular component (headphones) would be the object that often obtains the most rigid fixity in an audio chain. Larger desktop and home sources and amplification are often much more physically inert; they are also (pretty often) more expensive than the headphones they are driving. So odd that these pricy and inert components get swapped around so often.

I think part of the mentality is that "tweaking" with tiny almost imperceptible differences makes us think there's an improvement, whereas broadscale changes (ala new headphone/speaker) are too big and our brain interprets it as "different" rather than "better".
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Re: A twist on the "needing X amp get the full potential of headphone Y"
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2014, 07:44:31 PM »

I think the BA, in PX4 (or even in 300B), was too "true" to be a good match for an un-modded HD800. I also felt the HD800 still needed some massaging with the BA.

The ZD has the euphonic luxury ride thing and the older non-SE ones with the soybean caps were even a better match with the HD800. The EC 2A3 was, well a 2A3. The S7 was also a better HD800 match because of the infinite tube rolling options.

Even the latest EC amps 4-45 (and 2A3mk4) actually have a slightly more relaxed sound compared to the BA.

Hmm, now I do wonder if it was the silver in the BAs with the EP transformers.
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Re: A twist on the "needing X amp get the full potential of headphone Y"
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2014, 07:45:33 PM »

I've been thinking about this a bit lately as a type of user-centered technological experience.  Ignoring speakers: it seems strange that the most modular component (headphones) would be the object that often obtains the most rigid fixity in an audio chain. Larger desktop and home sources and amplification are often much more physically inert; they are also (pretty often) more expensive than the headphones they are driving. So odd that these pricy and inert components get swapped around so often.

I think part of the mentality is that "tweaking" with tiny almost imperceptible differences makes us think there's an improvement, whereas broadscale changes (ala new headphone/speaker) are too big and our brain interprets it as "different" rather than "better".

Mostly definitely. It depends upon the magnification where we set our scope.


Cables (or even DACs) can matter a lot of that is what we are currently fucking with. Once we take a step back, maybe not too much so. Well maybe I take that back with DACs, but that's the level I'm operating at right now.
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Re: A twist on the "needing X amp get the full potential of headphone Y"
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2014, 12:16:11 AM »

"Do I have the right setup in terms of amp/headphone period?" This can only be answered if you've had opportunity to switch in a whole boatload of different sources into your system to know what is the right setup. Until you do that, you're in a merry go round situation on both amps and headphones potentially. Now, marvey, you've had ample opportunities to listen to a LOT of gear, so you're actually in the best spot to answer your own question. (I know, I know, it was a topic of discussion for the REST OF US to contribute to. I'm sure you probably know the answer to your own question.)

I think our environments are also a factor to consider. ie. the quality of power, isolation of external noise, our own physical well-being at the time of listening, etc. I've been sick for the last month now and I find I can't enjoy anything due to stressing over about health, in addition to working and trying to take care of my family and young one at home. This is definitely going to impact perception of whether my system is operating appropriately together or not.

We all try to look at this from an objective standpoint, there's a lot of other intangible things going around us that we overlook. Now, I'm satisfied with my own setup at the moment because I've had my nirvana moment when a track was playing at a time of inner peace and solitude one evening. So I know the inherent potential. It's sounding crappy at the moment but that's just me not being able to get into it, mental state overloaded with worrying about things personally/professionally, etc. And the environment is a hi-rise condo in a downtown area where it's quite noisy sometimes. I can't wait to move at the end of this year to settle down in a quiet suburb of Denver, where my house already has a designated office room where I can set up my headphone system, tune out and zone out everything, and listen in solitude.

A bit of a tangent on the question overall but I do think about the environmental issue vs. just looking at the physical gear/equipment.
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Re: A twist on the "needing X amp get the full potential of headphone Y"
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2014, 03:52:03 PM »

I thought that was why Sennheiser had designed their own amps to supposedly show off the HD800's!!   ;D


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It does beg the question: if an HD800 successor were the new king and had been designed specifically around a specific amp, such as the EC 4-45, would it still be the best headphone EVAR on most sources, or would other sources beg for a different pairing? I think this question is a logical progression of SD's post.
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Re: A twist on the "needing X amp get the full potential of headphone Y"
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2014, 04:00:08 PM »

I presume you are just talking about dynamics here and not E-Stats

What made me happy about listening to the Levi/445 was knowing how far the 800 still could scale and how the 800 and those amps were end game for me, period.  There is simply no combo out there that can compete for resolution and transparency so I can just focus on the DAC once that's settled until a better transducer comes out.
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