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Re: Interesting link on burn-in
« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2014, 06:00:59 AM »

Where it becomes tricky for me is the psychological factor, as I really do become mentally adjusted to certain headphones over time, so that it might seem like burn in, but returning to them later or after a "pallet cleanser" earphone / headphone yields different results. That's why it's often hard for me to really track changes in a headphone hour-by-hour like some people seem to do.

Exactly !
I call this 'brain-in'   :)
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Re: Interesting link on burn-in
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2014, 06:16:10 AM »

Explaining smoother treble might lie within the diaphragm itself. Hard to pin this down. As Tyll's measurements have shown, treble measurements are not terribly consistent. Or maybe we should look back and see how the treble qualities changes as the pad breaks in, seeing as how the pad effect is more accepted. Seeing how the treble energy radiates in the space of a changed headphone pad (instead of just looking at FR at a single position) might reveal some more significant differences.

This would only be possible if left on the rig all this time and not moved at all.
It would be impossible if the headphones were used and placed back on the rig after a while.
I am guessing there will never be a definitive answer as I even found differences in the same model.
How loooooong would one have to test and how many brands/types and leave them on rigs and under which conditions.

I have a feeling the fs won't change as much on headphones as it does on speakers unless the membrane is tensioned. Maybe an owner could accurately 'follow' the ortho wall over time (if indeed caused by tensioning)

The EVO did not change its highs in 5hrs in the highs (I refuse to believe they change and change back in that time) but the Real did change the highs.

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Re: Interesting link on burn-in
« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2014, 07:07:00 AM »

From Tyll's website :
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/evidence-headphone-break

Here's a different, newer one, also with good info:

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/measurement-and-audibility-headphone-break

I think there's no doubt headphones can burn-in, but to what extent a headphone will burn-in varies from headphone to headphone. I think most headphones lie in the territory where any changes from mechanical burn-in are likely to be so slight that they're not really audible (or, at the very least, not nearly as audible as most people claim, even for those headphones that nearly everyone say require hundreds of hours of burn-in, like the K701 or similar).

That said, I've given up really worrying about headphone burn-in. There are too many other factors that play into my perception of a headphone's sound at any given moment to make mechanical burn-in really that important. Plus, if I don't like a headphone out of the box, there's practically no chance mechanical burn-in will be enough to change my mind from "dislike" to "like."

Solderdude also touched on something I've brought up once or twice. I do think it's possible a headphone's performance could change over time as it adjusts to the climate/environment of your residency (consider humidity, temperatures, pressure, changes in elevation, etc.). In particular, if it's extremely cold out, and the headphones arrive nearly frozen, they might literally need to warm up. This is certainly true of some ear pads, which don't deliver optimal performance until they've warmed up on your head.
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Re: Interesting link on burn-in
« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2014, 08:10:32 AM »

Establishing that effect subjectively is nearly impossible. If it has a smaller magnitude than just placing the headphones slightly differently on head (see Tyll's multi-measurements), then I'd say the effect might as well not exist.

I haven't experienced any burn-in that was not caused by pads wear. Now that can change the sound somewhat to a lot, depending on the pad design.
However, it is possible that in cheaper headphones, a part might get loose(r) and cause ringing or perhaps harmonic distortion. By that I mean screws and plastic parts.

Headphone drivers themselves do not seem to change at all other than in case of paper/cellulose ones and large differences in moisture. Few of those are still made - most headphones use BOPET, Mylar or metal nowadays.
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