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Re: Stereophile RSA Nighthawk Review + Ray's Response
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2013, 10:41:42 AM »

I agree with what you are saying, I am just trying to explain why I don't think it will happen. Do you honestly think that manufacturers would jump at the chance to send products to the members here? Go back and read some of the reviews that the folks from here have done.  Look at the difference in opinion on the LCD-X between Purrin/MF and those at HF.  It is detailed pros/cons vs "OMG THIS IS AMAZING BEST HEADPHONES EVAAAHH!!".  If I were a manufacturer I know where I would want to send my product for review.


Here's a good story. Warrenpchi had asked me if I wanted to be part of an LCD-X tour group sponsored by Audeze. The conditions were no measurements - until the LCD-Xs were well out in the public. I was cool with that: "sure sign me up". I really never expected to be part of it anyways. And I wasn't part of it.

The funny thing is that one of the members here purchased an LCD-X on day one and had it sent my way. I'm actually glad it turned out that way because had I been part of the LCD-X tour group, I would have felt obligated to gloss over some of the things I didn't like about it. And I certainly would not have released the LCD-X measurements so early on. Oh, the irony!

HF is HF. It is what it is. But this is just the beginning of a new age where magazines like Stereophile will be less and less relevant because of the Internet. There are always going to be people who want to buy something because its new. They'll want a pat on the back and mutual adulation from other owners. This is where HF comes in. Others who lack the time or will may just want an authority to tell them what to get. That's were Stereophile comes in.

But for people who want something good, or something that appeals to their taste, or seek value: they are now much more able to do research which they previously couldn't do 5-10 years ago. Granted many of the gear review sites seem shilly, i.e. Headfonia (which also happens to have a store), but the fact is: there is good information out there if one wants to expend the effort to look through various forums, review sites, etc. And going forward, it's just going to get better in terms of available information.

I do see a few concerns going forward:

1) Manufacturers becoming more skilled at "managing" perceptions on the Internet. This can be done personally or with the use of sockpuppets. Fortunately, most manufacturers end up shooting themselves in the foot when do they attempt to manage perceptions publicly. The smart ones know that not everyone is going to like their product no matter how good it is; so they chose to move on.

2) Various sites, forums, etc. selling out. One can make a good living advertising on the Internet. So the temptation is there. Also, people being approached for receiving free stuff - for a positive review.

3) More available information won't necessarily be all good quality information. Some effort will be required to parse through it all to get something meaningful.

So far, all of the gear I've talked about on this site was stuff I've directly requested from manufacturers, stuff I've purchased myself, or stuff other members have sent to me. I really do wish Sony or Fostex or Shure would send nice people to my house to personally show me their goodies. Or Sennheiser would fly me to their faraday cage tectonic plate isolated facilities in Germany. But they won't. I think manufacturers are generally uneasy or afraid of me. It kind of sucks because I really would like some free gear out of this.
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Re: Stereophile RSA Nighthawk Review + Ray's Response
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2013, 12:24:58 PM »

Well, I've been working 4 months as an IT and telco business journalist. I can tell you that at least in our field everything is about barter relations. On one end there is me who sniffs for interesting info and for opportunities to get it well ahead of competing agencies. On the other end there are all kinds of PR people who are interested in keeping the company's face spotless and managing damage control if shit starts flying. I need to keep my readers interested and our agency's reputation clean that we are no shills, however I also need to maintain friendly relations with my contacts on the business end of things.

My modus operandi usually is to bargain by offering certain things that I won't do. For example I will respect certain guidelines while interviewing their CEO. In return their PR guys will give me early tips on what the company is about to do so I can prepare an article and let it rip when the embargo ends. They will gladly point me to various blunders of their competing companies. The trick is to have all the companies covering their competitors.

However, sooner or later comes the moment when I have to push some fecal matter into the fan. Firstly, of course, I have to keep in mind if the fallout of my writing will be worth the money we get from our clients when they buy my articles. If I decide not to write about it, then I have to consider if and when other agencies will get the same news out. I mean, they can't really sue everyone. I have been muzzled by my editor a few times because I was about to open a can of worms that could hurt our company.

Needless to say that it isn't unusual to see overachieving journalists being moved to topics where they can't cause that much damage - especially ones that cover political topics. Dodging sueballs cost money, after all.
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Re: Stereophile RSA Nighthawk Review + Ray's Response
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2013, 02:48:01 PM »

Purrin, I don't know your background with these companies, but maybe they just don't know who the hell you or changstar.com (which honestly doesn't sound like a hifi site at all) are?

I imagine they all get a lot of requests for review samples. They will of course choose the big and well-known mags and sites and probably just ignore the rest. Maybe being persistent makes them look at your requests again?
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Re: Stereophile RSA Nighthawk Review + Ray's Response
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2013, 04:14:52 PM »

Oh, they do... Trust me. I get plenty of responses like the one Ray posted, but in private because they are smart.
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Re: Stereophile RSA Nighthawk Review + Ray's Response
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2013, 05:00:59 PM »

The Mytek guy posted here after that review. Same response, lots of people love the unit blah blah blah.  I don't understand how other people liking it is a particularly relevant response. If popularity was a good indicator of quality then Detroit wouldn't be bankrupt.
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Re: Stereophile RSA Nighthawk Review + Ray's Response
« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2013, 05:32:45 PM »

That fallacy must be true because so many people believe it is.
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Re: Stereophile RSA Nighthawk Review + Ray's Response
« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2013, 05:36:37 PM »

That fallacy must be true because so many people believe it is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning  :)p3
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Re: Stereophile RSA Nighthawk Review + Ray's Response
« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2013, 06:41:08 PM »

THE (SECRET) RULES OF 'AUDIO REVIEWING'

1. Never anger any protected audio industry entity, such as:

A. An important current, or potential, advertiser; including manufacturers, distributors or retailers, or...

B. Any other audio establishment which has a "personal relationship" with you.

2. Delay acknowledging any serious problems with a "protected" component until you give another rave review to the "updated" model which replaces it and "corrects" the problems.

3. Avoid making any direct comparisons with a "protected" component, but if you have to, follow these "Solutions":

   A. Compare the component only to older and/or obsolete models, especially from the same manufacturer. (See Rule #2 above).

   B. If Solution "A" is not possible, compare the component to "competitors" costing either MUCH more or MUCH less.

   C. If both Solutions "A" or "B" are not possible, "neglect" to mention the actual names and model numbers of the rival components that you compare it to in the review.

   D. If Solutions "A", "B" or "C" are all not feasible, and you must compare the model to a current, similarly priced (and "protected") competitor that you must name, then you must be:

  1. As ambiguous as possible, and you must also...
  2. Never describe any problem as "serious" (See Rule #3.E)
  3. Never proclaim one model to be clearly superior to the other(s). In short...
  4. Both (or all) of the components must be seen as equally desirable and of similar value.

   E. Problems or imperfections that aren't obvious (such as no bass below 40 Hz with small speakers), may be described as "serious" (easy to hear) only when using Solutions "A", "B" or "C".

However, any problems described when using Solution "D" must always be "subtle" and "difficult to hear", or even described as an "advancement" if possible.

4. You must never inform readers if an "audiophile" accessory or tweak is also available in a generic form at a fraction of the price that the "protected" manufacturer is charging (Blue Tac and RFI rings etc.).

5. Any and all "transactions" between you and any of the parties mentioned in Rule #1 must always be kept strictly Confidential. Accordingly...

  A. You must never divulge the actual price, if any, you paid to "purchase" your reference components or accessories, or any extra costs you paid, if any, to have those same components updated, modified, repaired, replaced etc.

  B. You must never divulge any "gifts", "favors" or "perks" that you received from the "protected" audio entities, or those with whom you have a "personal relationship".

6. You must never mention the actual costs, even at retail prices, of the parts that are used to manufacture the component.

7. Further to Rules #4 & #6, you must never state, or even imply, that any component or accessory is "over-priced".

8. The more corrupt your magazine is, the more you shall proclaim your honesty.

9. Magazines shall never divulge the actual percentage of their advertising revenues to their total revenues.

10. OVERRIDE CLAUSE- Some of the preceding rules (#1, #2 & #3) may be ignored only in the event of either a serious (and apparently indefinite) breach of the "personal relationship" between the audio company and reviewer/magazine, and/or the termination, or non-payment, of their advertising contract.

I think this is an interesting point made by Arthur Salvatore. I'm pretty sure some of you have seen his rant about Stereophile http://www.high-endaudio.com/RR-STEREOPHILE.html.

Some of that I'm sure is at least fairly accurate. HP left TAS because it became too gross there even for him. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones though. Salvatore has a serious hard-on for Coincident and Esoteric, and his $10 "ask Arthur" scheme is one of the most pathetic things I've seen.
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Re: Stereophile RSA Nighthawk Review + Ray's Response
« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2013, 09:42:40 PM »

Together Fremer and Samuels comprise everything I hate about the audiophile hobby. I hope their respective hells consist of an eternity of having to deal with each other's shitty overpriced products and vacuous wankery disguised as journalism.



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