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Lets be real
« on: February 18, 2012, 09:53:32 AM »

I have noticed that the important things regarding this headphones hobby would be... headphones > source quality > amplification

What do you guys think?

Because I would like to spend money on portable amps, but ultimately I think they'd be the last thing in the chain to be of my purpose, considering that I'm one of the people that seeks faithful reproduction and neutrality instead of other things.
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Re: Lets be real
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2012, 06:18:40 PM »

I have noticed that the important things regarding this headphones hobby would be... headphones > source quality > amplification

What do you guys think?

Because I would like to spend money on portable amps, but ultimately I think they'd be the last thing in the chain to be of my purpose, considering that I'm one of the people that seeks faithful reproduction and neutrality instead of other things.

Source quality > Source Equipment > Headphones

Think of this like water. The farther water goes downstream, the dirtier it becomes UNLESS the path it travels is clean.
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Re: Lets be real
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2012, 10:02:46 PM »

For me it's wherever the choke point in the chain is and that's a relative thing for each setup and each person's needs.  It's a dynamic, continuously changing thing.  Unless you have LFF masters.
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Re: Lets be real
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2012, 12:43:55 AM »

Source quality > Source Equipment > Headphones

Think of this like water. The farther water goes downstream, the dirtier it becomes UNLESS the path it travels is clean.
So are the normal definition CDs/flac enough?  24bit ones are very rare for my genres (Avant-garde; fusion etc).

I put the headphones as the most important first because it's the thing that can drastically alter the sound signature, compared to the other hyped up things that can apparently change the sound (ie $700 cables).
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Re: Lets be real
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2012, 05:08:22 AM »

44/16 is good enough with good modern DACs.


I like the copy machine analogy when it comes to stages. Each amplification / buffer stage in a DAC or amp is a copy machine. Once you start making too many copies, it doesn't look so much like the original. Also some copy machines are better than others. This is why simple high quality circuits with few stages sound better.
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Re: Lets be real
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2012, 05:23:39 AM »

In what context do you mean this question? 

In the absolute sense of what has the biggest effect on SQ, I think I agree with LFF

But if you are asking this question in the context of wondering how to prioritize the equipment you buy in 2012, I think it should be ordered differently.  Hopefully you don't buy music because of it's SQ (good music > well recorded music) (unless your name is Louis and you have special access to special masters that sound super special :-).  Sometimes we can choose which version of an album to buy, in which case it's a factor, but if you're talking about how to prioritize your gear, than you already have your music and that's kind of a separate entity. 

As far as gear is concerned, I think modern sources are pretty decent.  Amping is less commonly decent IMO and the transducer is almost always, IMO the weakest link in the chain.  I'd take a headphone I like out of an ipod over some craptastical headphone out of a great source -> great amp.  I bet Luis, would you prefer your Paradox out of an ipod rather than the LCD-3 out of the frickin Balancing Act if you had to choose? 

So as far as prioritizing gear, I'd rank them this way

headphones > amp > source

I know a lot of people like putting source before amp.  But IME that's more of a nice idea than a reality.  In my rig, I think my SOHA1 has a bigger effect on the performance of my phones than my Gamma2. 

If I had to choose between these 2 rigs:

a) Gamma2 -> phones
b) ipod -> SOHA -> phones

I'd choose option b.  But maybe others here have a different experience.  I've never owned a super high end source or amp (though I've heard them of course).  And I think I might have unique hearing in that I'm really sensitive to some things and not so much to others.  ie maybe I don't care about the differences high end DAC's make as much as others.  But I think if there existed a headphone that I really loved, then that kind of thing would matter more to me...
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Re: Lets be real
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2012, 05:27:41 AM »

wow that's the longest post I've ever seen. 
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Re: Lets be real
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2012, 11:39:26 AM »

It was pretty much just the importance of items in a headphone setup.
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Re: Lets be real
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2012, 09:25:11 PM »

i say headphones and speakers always first. then amping and then source but it depends what your looking for and want. by concept all amps should sound the same and should be a ''straight wire with gain''. most good power amps are like this. it's usually the preamp that offers the coloration or that ''special'' sound to the mix. it also highly depends on the topology design as well. lot of amps like to have their own ''sound signature'' but that usually involves amp designs for more audiophile/consumer applications. professional power amps usually offer you that ''straight wire with gain'' but that's still very debatable cause it depends on the individual perception of sound and what they personally feel.

preamps though usually has the biggest affect on sound of a power amp though that's why lot of professionals and even some audiophiles like using a ''passive'' preamp approach cause they believe going passive offers absolute transparency and natural/neutral signal inside and out. i use the passive approach myself but that's cause i have no active preamps(except one on my sansui 5000x) and it's just easier for me since my interface has good enough voltage swing to power my amp at full output and i like the nice clean sound i get. headamps i have no idea to be honest cause i have very little experience with them and feel no need of pursuing them since i feel i'm doing fine driving my headphones off of speaker outputs of my power amps and receivers. if i want a different sound i probably invest in different preamp or something but so far i'm more then satisfied. that's me though.

reason why i say source last is cause soundcards performance improved a lot. this ain't the early 90's anymore where the south and north bridge was still separated and software cpu cycling is in their infant state anymore. software and hardware has became much more advance/effcient and soundcards has too. for simple playback and very basic recording it is fine to use. people tend to exaggerate onboard sound a lot.if your into recording and need balanced outputs and inputs and extra headroom then it can be worth the upgrade. most stuff anyways is limited to 16/44 still. for music listening and playback things like onboard or a cheap soundcard(soundblaster audigy 2 or behringer UFO202) is perfect and will function very  well. using 24/96 or 24/192 is just for extra headroom for recording.

it all depends what you want and your needs but getting best speakers or headphones you can afford is always most important.
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