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Re: The change in music around 10-12 years ago...
« Reply #40 on: December 17, 2013, 02:51:35 PM »

People change, music preferences can change too.

'New' music it seems will always be in demand. 

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Re: The change in music around 10-12 years ago...
« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2013, 12:06:26 AM »

The problem - as I see it - is that since, as you state, it is the music that is not popular that is worthwhile, then almost be definition, it is music that is hard to know exists.  For example, I have never seen "Agalloch" mentioned before.
One is then left with the task of listening to all metal bands in existence (since the good ones are not popular).
So, a reliable method of "separating the wheat from the chaff" is important.

And, having said that, I would be interested in what you think are the best current metal bands (presumably Agalloch is one).

Agreed. That's where metal review sites and blogs come in, and I just happen to help run one: http://www.metal-fi.com/ There are certainly loads of metal focused review sites out there, as well as nearly exhaustive encyclopedias like Metal Archives. What I felt was lacking was no one was really commenting on current production standards, or if they were, everything was "10/10 sounds great!" Bullshit. Nobody was regularly reviewing metal on vinyl either, and if you want something done right...

Agalloch is definitely up there with the cream of the American crop. We've also got Cynic, Skeletonwitch, Baroness, Absu, and more than a few others making great albums. As I said, the fact that garbage like Five Finger Death Punch or Whitechapel are the only "metal" bands that are remotely popular in the mainstream is basically irrelevant... that is unless you want to make a lot of money selling albums. That's just not going to happen anymore, not unless you're Avenged Sevenfold. The days of a brilliant album like Rust In Peace also selling a gazillion copies are long over.

 
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Re: The change in music around 10-12 years ago...
« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2013, 12:17:36 AM »


Agreed. That's where metal review sites and blogs come in, and I just happen to help run one: http://www.metal-fi.com/ There are certainly loads of metal focused review sites out there, as well as nearly exhaustive encyclopedias like Metal Archives. What I felt was lacking was no one was really commenting on current production standards, or if they were, everything was "10/10 sounds great!" Bullshit. Nobody was regularly reviewing metal on vinyl either, and if you want something done right...
 
There is also the aspect that nowadays, most reviews of music/movies/books are 5 out of 5 stars.  If someone does not like something, they ignore it, rather than writing about it.

Actually that ties into the reason for this site, except in terms of music rather than headphones...
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Re: The change in music around 10-12 years ago...
« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2013, 02:18:22 AM »

There is also the aspect that nowadays, most reviews of music/movies/books are 5 out of 5 stars.  If someone does not like something, they ignore it, rather than writing about it.

Actually that ties into the reason for this site, except in terms of music rather than headphones...

I'm not so sure that's true. A $5,000 power amp is not something that anyone can just get. Unless you're a professional and you've got a working relationship with the manufacturer, if you want one to test you're probably going to have to cut a check for $5,000. Anyone can listen to a new album on Youtube for free, and if you don't like it, it's more than easy enough to make a blog (or your own YT channel) and slam the hell out of it. Loads of people do just that. I can say for example that very few of the metal blogs ignored Lulu or Super Collider. We didn't review Lulu but we ripped SC to shreds, and we were far from alone in that.
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Re: The change in music around 10-12 years ago...
« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2013, 06:42:21 AM »

Hey, Dave...got any personal recommendations for an Opeth fanboy? Also a big fan of In Flames pre-RtR (some of their newer stuff is OK).

I'm generally pretty content with melodic, progressive metal, but Opeth is one of the few bands that takes me from chub to...well, the next level. Also found I like Steven Wilson's work as well.
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Re: The change in music around 10-12 years ago...
« Reply #45 on: December 18, 2013, 08:46:27 PM »

Hey, Dave...got any personal recommendations for an Opeth fanboy? Also a big fan of In Flames pre-RtR (some of their newer stuff is OK).

I'm generally pretty content with melodic, progressive metal, but Opeth is one of the few bands that takes me from chub to...well, the next level. Also found I like Steven Wilson's work as well.

Sure! I'm a big progressive fan as well, and this year was a great year for it. Check out Liminal, the new album Exivious (provided you don't mind instrumentals). Fantastic release. A new band called Cascus recently released their debut, which has quite a bit of Morningrise in it along with some melodic death metal cues. Definitely check out The Inheritance from Dan Swano's new band Witherscape. The CD includes a special bonus - the vinyl mix packed on as MP3 data files. As far as I know it's the first time anyone has ever done that, and the vinyl version has double the amount of DR as the standard mix and sounds awesome.

If you're in to more "modern" progressive with a bit of technical overtones, I flat out loved what is sadly probably the last release from Last Chance To Reason - Level 3. Just incredible writing and playing on that album, easily one of my favorites of the year. Poland's big progressive bands were all on fire this year. Votum, Blindead, and Riverside are all worth checking out.

You also MUST check out Xanthochroid's Blessed He With Boils, which is progressive mixed with atmospheric black metal. I'm sure you'll dig the Barren Earth albums as well.
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Re: The change in music around 10-12 years ago...
« Reply #46 on: December 18, 2013, 09:37:31 PM »

To address the question raised by the OP...

I tend to think that mainstream music is not the place to look for when searching for high quality or innovative music.
Most mainstream music has always been the resort of the majority of the public and the majority is not very critical with music (for any number of reasons, but most probably simply because most people have other things to do instead of giving some considerable time to grow a true apprecciation of music) so pretty much any crap can sell as long as it's acessible or easy or makes people feel happy.
With time the discographic industry starts to see a pattern in the consumer listening habits and will try to export as much products based on the best formula to satisfy those habits, competition in this aspect is intense and as result the mainstream music landscape tend to be saturated with a lot of copycats and very few trully original artists.
In this circle the imperatives are to sell and profit, musical ambition or merit is not among the main concerns because the public does not demand such.
Musicians are either victims or accomplices of this industry.

There's a lot of quality music nowadays but there's a much higher probability of finding it by looking at a diferent circles instead of mainstream. As someone said before, it's a matter of looking in the right places.

Innovative music, though, is something relatively rare and much harder to find.
True innovation (either technical or linguistic) by nature never thrives from the mainstream, it's something that comes from the outer circles.
It comes from the "outside".
And it's something that generally is more frequent in the earlier stages of development of a discipline or art form and also tends to follow a shift or breakthrough in philosophycal, technological or social paradigma within a society or on a global scale.
It can also thrive from the pure "genius" of an artist, in which case, and just like with any other art form, it tends to be rejected or neglected by the mainstream audiences when it first makes an appearance, it takes time to fully be understood and accepted.

Music, just like any other art form, is very much an expression of the world the artist lives in.
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Re: The change in music around 10-12 years ago...
« Reply #47 on: December 18, 2013, 09:48:57 PM »

Gothenburg melodic metal was best in the 90s. :( It's amazing how much influence it had on metal around the world starting around the late 90s, early 2000s, but it was never quite up to par with the pioneers of that sound.

Yeah, Swedish metal in general I think has declined in recent years, and Swedish MDM in particular. Khaos Legions, yech. All metal genres ebb and flow in terms of quality, but in the case of Gothenburg, I think the torch has been passed to the Finns. Omnium Gatherum's last two albums are right up there with the classics from Dark Tranquillity or In Flames. Austrialia's Be'lakor has also been just spectacular as of late, and the new Carcass is absolutely phenomenal.

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