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Re: The change in music around 10-12 years ago...
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2013, 11:08:13 PM »
Adele got mo' Motowned than Amy I'd say.
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Re: The change in music around 10-12 years ago...
« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2013, 11:10:08 PM »
I agree with Stapsy on the evolutionary part.

Even those who are said to be musical revolutionaries often borrow from past musicians. Cobain & Grunge were ultimately an evolution of punk music. Repurposed (in a positive manner) for a new era.

One of my favorite bands of all time is Led Zeppelin. Some of my more musically inclined friends would always give me shit about that because they weren't "original" enough to be considered a great band. They obviously just stole from older blues musicians and blah blah blah...well who cares? None of those older blues musicians could kick-ass quite like LZ so why should I care that who originally jotted down the music? Does the fact that any band borrows from artists/genres of yesteryear really matter when you sit down and listen? I'm someone who values the performance more than the composition I guess. If the product is dope, you just listen.
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Re: The change in music around 10-12 years ago...
« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2013, 12:10:58 AM »
Quote from: Stapsy on December 12, 2013, 10:00:49 PM
That is silly. How can you dismiss all music because they use instruments that are not "new"?  Is Chopin's contribution to music any less than Bach's because he wrote it 100+ years later?  I either completely disagree with what you are saying or I don't quite grasp your argument.
Actually your example is a good example of my point.

Chopin DID use new instruments - now called the Piano.  In fact, 30 years earlier, towards the end of his life, Mozart was very enthusiastic about that new instrument, and wrote encouraging letters to the technical guy who was coming up with new improvements.  (And the letters prove that you don't need to use 18th Century pianofortes to play Mozart, since he was much happier with the new pianos that were being developed.)

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As much as I hate to use the word evolve in this context, music is about evolution not revolution. There is nothing that comes out and blasts away everything that was done before.
No, new music never nullifies what was done before.  Miles does not blast away Louis Armstrong.  Rather, it is more a case of blasting away everything that is being done now - with something that had not been done before.   Diz and Bird in 1947, Little Richard and co in 1955, The Beatles and Stones in 1964, James Brown and Herbie Hancock in the early 70s, both the Sex Pistols and the Bee Gees at the same time in 1977, Visage in 1980, Michael Jackson in 1982, RunDMC and Beastie Boys in 1986, Oakenfold & friends in 1988, Cobain and co in 1991, Tiesto, Van Dyk & friends in 2001.  (Yes, the above names are just the most famous ones in each trend.)

Instead of creating their own new genre, nowadays everyone does the same genres created by those guys I just listed.
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Re: The change in music around 10-12 years ago...
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2013, 12:22:03 AM »
Stapsy, recognition for a good song should still be mentioned though.

A good song, original or not is a good song. I became a serious listener though Hip Hop. I started collecting albums based on production and samples. Even if it is the Amen or Think break, when a cover becomes a hit and the original artist and/or author is not credited my appreciation for the producers and the performing artist decreases. 

Do know I do not like the way royalties regarding samples are handled. For instance when The Verve was stripped of its royalties because of a Rolling Stones sample in "Bitter Sweet Symphony" it went too far. It was not as if Jagger had written their lyrics. But hey, lawyers beat the artists in that case.

These days I tend to pick up albums based on the known live performances. When the artist is good in an acoustic setting with his or her own sound I know enough. Think of Lykke Li or the Soul Divas from the sixties and seventies. The John Butler Trio's live performances were enough for me to buy their first three albums in a snap.
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Re: The change in music around 10-12 years ago...
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2013, 12:50:18 AM »
Yea you are right, I forgot about that  facepalm.  Still, they are part of the same genre that spans a much larger gap than the Beatles to the White Stripes.

My point is that music is a series of slow progressions not large jumps.  Diz and Bird didn't just wake up one day and create Bebop.  Bebop is a natural progression from their roots as musician's in various big bands.  Besides, grunge isn't really all that different from the Beatles anyway...guitar, vocals, drums, bass...and that was almost 30 years later!

I think what you would really like is my experimental music trio.  We feature the Didgeridoo, electric pennywhistle, and upside down 5 gallon buckets (Home Depot buckets, Lowe's buckets sound like shit). 
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Re: The change in music around 10-12 years ago...
« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2013, 12:57:49 AM »
Quote from: Original_Ken on December 12, 2013, 09:30:00 PM
The beef with The White Stripes is that they revived a dead and archaic art form.

As I mentioned above "Why is a 20-something musician playing a guitar in 2013 (or 1999 for that matter) ?  In the 1950s and 60s, "rock and roll" was a disposable dance music, the instrumentation was chosen to be loud and to break with the established popular music of soothing jazzy singers."

To me "classic rock" is contradictory.  Tutti Fruiti and Johnny B. Goode are not brilliant compositions, they were vehicles for expressing something about the 1950s (as clarified in the film Pleasantville).   Doing guitar music now is just a "historical re-enactment" - like those guys who dress up as Union and Confederacy soldiers and re-enact Gettysburg.

I think this is a down side of "recording".  In the past, only the best art survived for decades, because it took many hours of work to learn and perform one Beethoven symphony.  So, no one listens to all the crap music of 1800.   Same with Shakespeare versus the crap authors of 500 years ago.

Nowadays, everything of the past 50 years is available and hdtracks even has high res versions of music that no one should ever listen to again, like Foreigner.

Apparently, we are now in a weird sci-fi movie where all future generations are doomed to re-enact the last half of the 20th Century over and over....

Ohhhhhhhh, now I get it!  You're old and grumpy and don't care for all that blasted noise.

Why didn't you just say so? 

Dead and archaic art form.  I got a good laugh out of that one.   :)p13
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Re: The change in music around 10-12 years ago...
« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2013, 12:59:27 AM »
Stapsy, Pink Floyd's "The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn" is strangely enough one of my favourite albums. I appreciate albums that put music in a new perspective. Look up the live performances of the Instant Composer Pool. They record their own live performances and their music makes me sit and listen. Willem Breuker and BV Haast recorded their music themselves, no big record label to compromise their sound  p;)

 
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Re: The change in music around 10-12 years ago...
« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2013, 01:18:50 AM »
Instant Composer Pool is awesome! Thanks for the recommendation.  It is weird yet strangely engaging.

Piper is also one of my favorite's.  That album pushed me to explore new and strange music that was outside of my comfort zone.  If you have a chance find Charles Mingus "The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady", it really blew me away.
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Re: The change in music around 10-12 years ago...
« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2013, 01:31:56 AM »
More Mingus for December it is  p;)

About the ICP. I accidentally walked into their live performance on an lazy Saturday years ago. That was a good Saturday...
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Re: The change in music around 10-12 years ago...
« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2013, 06:13:41 AM »
Quote from: Skyline on December 12, 2013, 01:59:21 PM
I think this kind of statement is made in every generation.  The good music is still there.  You just need to know where to look.

^This.  99% of music lasts forever- the 1% is OOP or lost masters.  That leaves a whole lot of music behind.  Did the people listening back in 1960 run out of stuff to listen to before they died?  We have everything they had, plus everything that has been made since.  Even if we just gain 2-3 albums a year that we like, it just means our library gets that much bigger.  I don't know- it sounds a lot like "get off of my lawn" and "I remember when bread was a nickel".  I'd consider myself lucky if I run out of music, places to visit, books to read... you get the idea.  Also remember that music has never been so easy to acquire, whether it's downloads at 3am or buying used vinyl off of ebay or Amazon.
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