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Marvey

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Schiit USB Gen 2 Board Review
« on: December 03, 2013, 07:45:30 AM »

So I've got this rusty Gungnir sitting around with an old USB board v1.20. This is the Gungnir which was part of the first DAC Comparison a while back.



A few moons ago, Jason sent me this new USB board. Jason knew I had some syncing issues with the v1.20 USB board on some older PCs and laptops, and he mentioned this new board fixes those syncing issues. But nooooo..... in typical Jason fashion, he neglects to tell me there are sonic improvements or that what I have is essentially the brand new fancy pants "USB Gen 2 Upgrade" listed on their website. Noooo.... he just doesn't say a thing. (This is what I love about Jason - he keeps so quiet - and then sneaks around like the Detective Columbo to see how people react.)

So anyways, I install it, play around with it, casually notice it doesn't sound much different from coax, and sit on it for a few months.

Wait... it doesn't sound much different from coax - wait - WTF. USB is supposed to suck. So tonight I finally A/B'd the two boards on the Gungnir - > Vali -> Abyss. On a related note, the coax connection I am currently using is via the mobo from by main gaming PC.  I actually prefer this coax connection to the PWD2's USB (which by the way is actually a good USB implementation in that the AP1 USB->SPDIF gizmo actually sounded worse than the PS Audio USB implementation.) I just wanted to establish that this source / coax is decent to pretty good as some other mobo coax implementations I've heard have not been so good.

So what's the verdict? At the risk of sounding like a Schiit shill, since I've already shilled the Schiit out of the Vali... Well, "shiver me timbers", "may God strike me down", "ah, fuck me", the new Schiit USB Gen 2 Board is not BS, and gets a 5-star Changstar rating. I mean for $150, you get a major improvement (in DAC terms) from the old USB.




This new USB Gen 2 board not only fixes the sync/locking issues of the old board, it also sounds much better. It’s a pretty darn significant improvement (in terms of DACs) from the older USB board. To make things short: the DAC with the old board sounds hazier, less lively, less clear, and closed-in in comparison.

I know three people who have felt that the Gungnir is too aggressive dynamically. Does this new USB Gen2 board fix this? Well sort of. The way I translated this observation of "overly aggressive dynamically" is that the Gungir had a tendency to be loud. That is being very able to play the loudest sounds while either dropping or compressing upward the softest sounds. What the USB Gen2 does is bring back some of that lost low level information. Microdynamics and microdetail goes up a notch.

Still the Gungir is a pretty rocking DAC. Think rock concert. I love dynamics and don't think there can ever be enough of it. (It's my understanding that Mike Moffat thinks the same way, hence why the Gungnir sounds the way it does. Also I noticed that Schiit's playlists on their demos are not too different from mine.) So while the explosiveness is still there, the Gungnir sounds much less constantly loud / banging as its now much better able to render soft and gentle sounds.

I am really really enjoying this DAC now. I mean I liked it before, but not enough to displace it as a #2 for regular listening DAC. To be honest, the Gungnir sat around (mind you I have two other great DACs lying around) because I wasn't goin g to go out and buy another $1500 OR5 USB/SPDIF converter. Now I don't need to.

BTW, the AKM chipses in the Gungir have such a sweet sweet sweet sweet sound. Love the vocals. As a DAC for vocals, the Gungir / USB Gen2 is easily #2 just behind the AGD M7 among all of the DACs I've heard so far. Quite frankly I'm getting sick and tired of this Sabre shit. I've been going through all my The Voice downloads tonight.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2013, 08:26:01 AM by purrin »
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Re: Schiit USB Gen 2 Board Review
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2013, 09:18:49 AM »

Interesting. Sounds like the gen.2 board solves the issues I had with the Gungnir. I really dig the modular design of Schiit components. Unfortunately this upgrade wasn't in sight when I realised I couldn't live with its faults.
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Re: Schiit USB Gen 2 Board Review
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2013, 10:00:37 AM »

Hmm, the one time I heard the gungnir I felt like everything was very shouty and put pressure in my head. Maybe this ameliorates that... maybe.
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Re: Schiit USB Gen 2 Board Review
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2013, 04:44:53 PM »

Nicely done Schiit. That should put their USB board into the middle/upper end of USB converters then... the ones that sell for $700+. Not bad for $150. Note to Jason: put that thing in a box, call it the Thor or something, and put a coax output on the other end. The Hifaces and V-links won't know what hit them.

Purrin: what board are you using? Most coaxial digital outputs from motherboards I've seen have just been horrendous, with "you've gotta be kidding" levels of jitter. Even the ESI Juli@ that Bryston uses in their servers is not particularly impressive in terms of output jitter, and I have to imagine that the Juli@ is better than any built in motherboard output.
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Re: Schiit USB Gen 2 Board Review
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2013, 05:39:24 PM »

How would you rate this against the matrix x-sabre usb? With the Gen 2 board gungnir comes up to 900usd, which isn't that far off the x-sabre.
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Re: Schiit USB Gen 2 Board Review
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2013, 05:55:05 PM »

Well, the Gungnir beat the X-Sabre out in the DAC shootout:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao9CyUbvb2nFdHZ4RlZaQ2JwX1JsZG9vQlAtTmhvM2c#gid=0

I'm assuming the USB Gen 2 further widens the gap for the reviewers (Anax, Purrin and LFF).
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Re: Schiit USB Gen 2 Board Review
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2013, 05:57:47 PM »

Actually, the USB Gen 2 is still $100, so $849 for Gungnir with USB Gen 2. Okay, the salesman in me will shut up now.

But yeah, we should have made it clear that it's a big step up. It's why we took the USB trash-talking off of our site. So much for us being the evil brilliant marketers.
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Re: Schiit USB Gen 2 Board Review
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2013, 06:01:28 PM »

Actually, the USB Gen 2 is still $100, so $849 for Gungnir with USB Gen 2. Okay, the salesman in me will shut up now.

And you guys priced the self install upgrade at $100 as well which is pretty darn nice :)p7

$150 is the price if you want Schiit to install your Gen 2 upgrade for you!
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Re: Schiit USB Gen 2 Board Review
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2013, 06:44:52 PM »

Glad to see these modular upgrades coming to fruition. I guess the "future proof" marketing speak wasn't BS afterall.  headbang

I miss my Gungnir -- I sold it because it wasn't playing nice with my desktop computer (which I later found out was my computer's fault). I'd buy it again if the Yggdrassil wasn't on the horizon.
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Re: Schiit USB Gen 2 Board Review
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2013, 06:47:21 PM »

Hmm, the one time I heard the gungnir I felt like everything was very shouty and put pressure in my head. Maybe this ameliorates that... maybe.

The Gungir pre-USB Gen2 was a DAC that always kept me up. With most other DACs, I usually end up falling asleep to music at my temple of sound (speaker setup), but with the Gungnir, I recall many instances where I was really tired and would think "dammit - will that DAC let me fall asleep - geez..." Some people (a few here) don't like this characteristic, but I actually love it because that's how real music is like. I used to moonlight as a sound engineer working late hours into the night drinking a few beers here and there - the live music and energy was what always kept me up.

Now as how far the Gen2 board lessens this "constantly loudly shouting" effect? (kind of like that Pacific Rim movie where all the actors are ALWAY shouting at each other.) At the risk of sounding ghey, I would say the reduction of this effect is about 33%-40%. It's still a Gungir. But I do find the DAC with the Gen2 USB just that much more enjoyable now. LFF when he first heard the Gungnir old USB (vs. PWD2) remarked "it's loud".  With the Gen2 in place, I actually dozed off briefly last night drooling in my chair. But just briefly.
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