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Re: LCD-X Measurements, Review, Stream of Consciousness Post
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2013, 12:08:53 PM »

Did someone say "plasticky"?!?
LOL you know what? I think i invented that term. I never thought it would spread like it did hahaha. It started with my k701 and grado bashing  :)p5
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Re: LCD-X Measurements, Review, Stream of Consciousness Post
« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2013, 05:38:13 PM »

Very interesting impressions, shows how you can never really gauge timbre from measurements alone. Thank you Purrin and MuppetFace.
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Re: LCD-X Measurements, Review, Stream of Consciousness Post
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2013, 11:03:48 PM »

I'm still struggling with the LCD-X. There's some part of my that really wants to like it, but I just can't. Sometimes it sounds thin, sometimes it sounds veiled. It's all over the place. On some tracks, it sounds great. Others, or even sections of the same track not so much. Honestly, I'm finding myself grabbing for the HE-500 with Jerg pads to cleanse myself of the LCD-X's weirdness.

The stamped metal frame doesn't look as good the wood either...
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Re: LCD-X Measurements, Review, Stream of Consciousness Post
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2013, 11:34:06 PM »

I wish you had an XC there to listen to as well.
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Re: LCD-X Measurements, Review, Stream of Consciousness Post
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2013, 12:04:32 AM »

I'll have an XC to compare to it in a week or two.

Keep in mind the X is 'supposed' to be the better of the two, and that it seems like they've been having a harder time with the XC's tuning. I'm kind of holding out a weird hope it might sound a little less confusing, just because they've been working on them for longer and these drivers were initially intended for the closed model and whatnot.

Then again, all reports indicate that if you don't like the mids on the X, you're not going to like them on the XC. So... uh... yeah.

The mids are the biggest issue of the X for me. However at this point, I think I've come to like these more than Purrin. I'd still take a modded LCD-3 over them no question, but I think the X is more of a successful 'commercial' product. Which kind of takes the charm out of Audez'e for me, as I really liked their previous looks-like-a-woodshop-project approach.

I'd take the X over most of the unmodded LCD-3s I've heard. Though I'd kind of rank it as a sister headphone to the LCD-2 rev. 2, more a different flavor, that just happened to be priced too high.
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Re: LCD-X Measurements, Review, Stream of Consciousness Post
« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2013, 06:40:32 AM »

I'm still struggling with the LCD-X. There's some part of my that really wants to like it, but I just can't. Sometimes it sounds thin, sometimes it sounds veiled. It's all over the place. On some tracks, it sounds great. Others, or even sections of the same track not so much. Honestly, I'm finding myself grabbing for the HE-500 with Jerg pads to cleanse myself of the LCD-X's weirdness.

The stamped metal frame doesn't look as good the wood either...


My early LCD-2 rev.2 had a hollow resonance that mired everything. My second rev.2 (angled metal connectors) was much better but had qualities similar to what you describe with the LCD-X. I came close to pulling the trigger on the X. Probably time to cross Audez'e off the list for good.
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Re: LCD-X Measurements, Review, Stream of Consciousness Post
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2013, 05:25:17 PM »

Still looks like Audeze are sticking to their weird, bassy treble shelving. Kudos to them on having clear design goals that they are consistent on, ala stax (lambda era) and etymotic.
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Re: LCD-X Measurements, Review, Stream of Consciousness Post
« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2013, 06:25:27 PM »

CLOSING THOUGHTS

I had a chance to compare directly with an LCD2.2 and LCD3 at the San Diego meet yesterday. Here are my final thoughts:
  • Compared with a "good" LCD2.2, the LCD2.2 beats the LCD-X in every way. Comparatively, the LCD-X's treble was hotter and the midrange was thinner. The LCD-X just didn't have the cohesiveness and naturalness of the LCD2.2. Every recording I tried with the LCD2.2 seemed "right" and according to a certain vision. The LCD-X on the other hand sounded more disjointed: trying to be neutral when it's not supposed to be - if that makes any sense. For example, Once I adjust to the presentation of say the LCD2.2 or a good LCD3, those headphones never fail to put a smile on my face regardless of recording, even the marginal ones. The LCD-X, with the its thinner, less tactile mids, splash of mid-treble, doesn't make me smile as consistently. Occasional, there's even a WTF.
  • On a related note, I would not consider the LCD-X neutral, nor would would I feel it usable as a studio reference. I don't know why these terms were even thrown around in the first place. That fact that the LCD-X exhibits roll-off slope similar to the LCD2/3 and has inconsistent performance from recording to recording is a good indicator that the LCD-X is still colored past the bounds of what can be considered neutral.
  • I'm not sure if I can say the LCD-3 sounds less veiled. On some recordings, the veil is gone, but with others the veil is still present. Overall, I would have to say that the LCD-X does sound less veiled, but with the unintended side effect is that it is now less lush and even thin. Despite the measured roll-off slope similar to the LCD2/3, there's something odd with the timbre which can sometimes make the mids sound thin, lack body, or in a worst case, take on a plasticky nature. (These subjective impressions being something the graphs don't tell us.)
  • The 8kHz peak is slightly troublesome. Not a showstopper by any means, but it does jut out and contribute to the the lack of coherent sound signature which I mentioned earlier. There's an edginess to horns, snares, upper end of female vocals, etc.
  • On the LCD-X bass: less texture and authority compared to LCD2.2/3. Although still clean and just as powerful. It does have impact more along the lines of LCD2.2
  • Despite the elevated treble of the LCD-X - hearing past it - the LCD-X does not resolve as well as the LCD3 or even LCD2.2. This was from listening to the headphones from the EC 445 prototype. The new driver just isn't picking up the plankton. It's more along the lines of the original LCD2 in terms of resolving power.
  • I do find that the LCD-X is pretty good once I get accustomed to its sound. The LCD-X does have some very good technicalities such as speed, clarity, precision; but once I move back to the LCD-2/3 or even HE-500 (jerg/modular pads), I say to myself, "Ahhh, that's more right."
The above comments are nitpicks. The LCD-X is a good headphone, but I really consider it the "entry-level" Audeze below the LCD2.2 and LCD3. I expect the LCD-X to generate more disparate opinions if the SD meet was any indication. But you never know, HF craze, a la the original LCD2 (where the likes of me were shot down) may take over.
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Re: LCD-X Measurements, Review, Stream of Consciousness Post
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2013, 11:39:37 PM »

I have a question, I was talking on the way back from the NY audio meet with a fellow who felt his LCD-2 was too harsh in the treble, but the LCD-X he heard at the meet was much less fatiguing and just right for him. How would one explain what he was hearing--the LCD 2 CSD graphs are from before the newer procedure so I'm not sure how to compare with the LCD-X's.
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Re: LCD-X Measurements, Review, Stream of Consciousness Post
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2013, 11:48:48 PM »

LCD-2 variance. For the most part, the LCD2.2s have been consistent, but there was one LCD2.2 I heard a OCAS / Headroom meet in Buena Park many years ago which was downright nasty in the treble. 11-12k spike. I think Anax should remember that pair since he was the one who brought it to me and casually mentioned "you gotta hear this". I met LFF at that meet. Those were the seeds for Changstar.
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