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Re: Jerg / Modulor Pads for HE500 - Measurement Results
« Reply #60 on: November 20, 2013, 10:18:13 PM »

I might as well post it here too:


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I observed a slight caveat with the felt backwave damping modification ONLY if one uses the stiffened felt, that is somehow because it is so rigid, it acts as a waveguide too well especially for the treble region, and so the end sound might sound a bit more stringent around 10kHz.

The simple solution to this, I found, has been to taper off the right angles of the felt strips that line the grid of the drivers. Easiest way to do it is to use your fingernails and pass through between each two strips of felt a dozen times. So basically the aim is to round off the outer corners of the stiffened felt strips to reduce the "waveguide" effect (imagine reshaping the cross-section of the felt strips so that it is now a half-circle instead of a rectangle).

Of course some of you might not note these differences, but I tend to be extremely picky about sound signatures, especially minor changes in sound signatures, as they bug me a lot as soon as I notice them. So just take the above with a grain of salt and only try it if the situation fits yours and you yourself experienced a similar phenomenon.
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Re: Jerg / Modulor Pads for HE500 - Measurement Results
« Reply #61 on: November 21, 2013, 12:07:54 AM »

I'm looking at the magnet plate as a diffraction effect. Maybe I'm off the ball, but I dunno...

You've got a (in theory) planar wavefront from the driver, which then passes through the magnet plate and essentially becomes a multipoint (multi-line?) array. It's no longer a planar front, so you have a diffraction pattern. Variables: size, thickness, and spacing of the holes/slits.

If I may veer tangentially into fluid dynamics, the edge of the holes plays a role in "flow" (assuming we're going for laminar flow instead of turbulent). Whether or not that's applicable to acoustics since we're dealing with energy propagation not bulk flow, I dunno, but I wonder what properties transfer over.


Or maybe this all does have some effect, but the magnitude is inconsequential compared to the reflections/resonances/etc.

Eh, too much thinking and blathering.
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Do you think there may be an acoustic leak from the jack hole? ~Tyll Hertsens

Not sure if I like stuffing one hole or both holes. Tending toward one hole since both holes seems kinda ghey ~Purrin

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Re: Jerg / Modulor Pads for HE500 - Measurement Results
« Reply #62 on: November 21, 2013, 12:29:58 AM »

I'm looking at the magnet plate as a diffraction effect. Maybe I'm off the ball, but I dunno...

You've got a (in theory) planar wavefront from the driver, which then passes through the magnet plate and essentially becomes a multipoint (multi-line?) array. It's no longer a planar front, so you have a diffraction pattern. Variables: size, thickness, and spacing of the holes/slits.

If I may veer tangentially into fluid dynamics, the edge of the holes plays a role in "flow" (assuming we're going for laminar flow instead of turbulent). Whether or not that's applicable to acoustics since we're dealing with energy propagation not bulk flow, I dunno, but I wonder what properties transfer over.


Or maybe this all does have some effect, but the magnitude is inconsequential compared to the reflections/resonances/etc.

Eh, too much thinking and blathering.

My thinking is simple. Sound waves get emitted from the diaphragm membrane, hits the face of the listener, gets partially reflected back, then bounces off the flat metal array and to the face/ears again. Covering all that with felt is an attempt to reduce that, and it seems to be a perceptible difference in clarity.

Edit: oh you are discussing about my observation about the "waveguiding". Nvm. But yeah tapering off the felt seems to do the trick, so maybe it does have something to do with the soundwave behaviour when exiting the magnet arrays (and in this case felt layers).
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Re: Jerg / Modulor Pads for HE500 - Measurement Results
« Reply #63 on: November 21, 2013, 01:29:40 AM »

hehe Laminar vs turbulent flow. We engineers think alike.

I'm also curious about the need to taper the felt. I would say that cutting the felt to match the zig-zag pattern that's on the grill would be very helpful. A straight cut should have slight obstruction to waves coming off the driver.

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Re: Jerg / Modulor Pads for HE500 - Measurement Results
« Reply #64 on: November 21, 2013, 01:48:57 AM »

hehe Laminar vs turbulent flow. We engineers think alike.

I'm also curious about the need to taper the felt. I would say that cutting the felt to match the zig-zag pattern that's on the grill would be very helpful. A straight cut should have slight obstruction to waves coming off the driver.

You don't think the smooth straight sides of the magnets themselves will be the predominant "guide" for the soundwaves? The thickness of the metal array plate seems negligible compared to how thick the magnet bars are.
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Re: Jerg / Modulor Pads for HE500 - Measurement Results
« Reply #65 on: November 21, 2013, 01:55:30 AM »

Okay I just added some strips of acoustic foam to the front of the driver on my HE-6. Not my cleanest work but I figure it shouldn't matter too much. Don't have time for in-depth impressions at the moment, but my first reaction was a more cavernous feeling bass.
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Do you think there may be an acoustic leak from the jack hole? ~Tyll Hertsens

Not sure if I like stuffing one hole or both holes. Tending toward one hole since both holes seems kinda ghey ~Purrin

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Re: Jerg / Modulor Pads for HE500 - Measurement Results
« Reply #66 on: November 21, 2013, 05:27:13 AM »

Looking at this diagram:

We want to prevent the waves from crossing which would create an interference pattern. Yes, the grill already causes it but we want to add to that with the felt. The end effects might be trivial in the end and it makes it a lot more difficult to cut too.

I hope this makes sense.
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Re: Jerg / Modulor Pads for HE500 - Measurement Results
« Reply #67 on: November 21, 2013, 05:41:44 AM »

Probably more representative to look at slits rather than diffraction around an object...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffraction
(ugh it's been a while since I've looked at this stuff... Dammit Jim, I'm a rocket scientist not a physicist!)

So on my thoughts earlier... is it possible to recreate a planar wavefront after the wave has passed through the magnet plate? that's sort of why I veered into thinking about laminar flow, but I'm not sure if that applies to wave physics...  :-S
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Not sure if I like stuffing one hole or both holes. Tending toward one hole since both holes seems kinda ghey ~Purrin

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Re: Jerg / Modulor Pads for HE500 - Measurement Results
« Reply #68 on: November 21, 2013, 05:59:18 AM »

In this case it's more a matter of the (lack of) curvature of the opening walls, rather than the width of the openings, that seems to be the critical factor. I've listened for a few hours now and am quite sure now that tapering the edges of the foam strips really restores the treble smoothness relative to untapered felt strips with rectangular cross-section.

Maybe high frequency sound waves are very sensitive to the conformation of the openings, and so directing them straight, without much leeway to fan out, causes them to be higher in amplitude at the ear?
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Re: Jerg / Modulor Pads for HE500 - Measurement Results
« Reply #69 on: November 21, 2013, 06:24:46 AM »

Higher frequency waves would not be as wide. As you provide a bit more space, you let a lot more through. Seems to make sense.

I'll need to find time to go to a Michael's for that felt. Do you know if they have 3M double sided adhesive? My pads are stuck directly to the housing of mine and I only have 1 more set of adhesive rings from Audeze...
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