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Poll: What, if anything, divides headphiles and audiophiles?

It's practical: Headphiles are audiophiles who don't have "room" in their lives for a proper speaker setup. After all, headphone shit now costs just as much as speaker shit.
- 12 (23.1%)
This question is ghey.
- 7 (13.5%)
Headphiles tends to be kids or young ones just getting started with audiophilia. Audiophiles tend to be old-farts who insist on spending huge amounts of money for the privilege of hearing poots from the double-bassoonist in the back of the orchestra.
- 3 (5.8%)
Is Tyll starting shit again?
- 7 (13.5%)
All of the above.
- 23 (44.2%)

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Voting closed: September 25, 2013, 07:51:23 PM


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Re: Poll: What, if anything, divides headphiles and audiophiles?
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2013, 03:13:24 AM »

For me, headphones are a compromise or sidetrack from the real goal. They suck up all my money in an effort to prevent me from reaching the real prize: A full-blown, kick-ass loudspeaker system.
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Re: Poll: What, if anything, divides headphiles and audiophiles?
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2013, 05:23:21 AM »

hello,

its all about the other people in the household.

i have t'weens, i listen to Trent (a lot). i don't think blasting "Closer" would be a stellar example of my parenting skills.

my spousal unit is addicted to television, so the mid-fi loudspeaker system i have is a 2.1 home theatre.

my spousal unit and i have VERY different tastes in music (there is the whole May/December thing goin' on.)

i would rather enjoy my tunes in my head, rather than get rolled eyes that what i'm listening to is "before my time."

so, yeah, i don't have "room" for a proper loudspeaker system.
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Re: Poll: What, if anything, divides headphiles and audiophiles?
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2013, 12:51:44 PM »

If I had more room for speakers I would definitely have a primary speaker set up.  I listened to some CDs through my parents Sony integrated receiver and Paradigm bookshelfs a couple weeks ago.  This is not a high end setup but the soundstage put my headphone rig to shame.  Almost all aspects of the sound were lower quality, however it was very enjoyable to experience speaker presentation.  I have not "lost myself" in the music like that when listening to headphones.  With headphones, the fact that they are connected to my head stops me from being able to close my eyes and feel like I am there.  To a lot of audiophiles this is very important.  Maybe more important than any other factor.  I would guess that headphiles value the detail retrieval and more intimate presentation.

In the end I think it is more likely a combination of all those things you listed.  When I was younger I listened to headphones because I could carry them around with me and it was cheap (they came with my ipod  :)p17 ).  Now I listen mostly in my apartment where I don't want a speaker system to annoy my neighbors when I am up until 2am listening to music.
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Re: Poll: What, if anything, divides headphiles and audiophiles?
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2013, 05:02:32 PM »

Room, and the way they're used.

Headphones are great if you have limited space, or don't want to bother people nearby (or don't want them bothering you.) I got back into audio through headphones, because I was using them to isolate myself so I could do creative work (writing, etc.) Now, I use them in the office all the time. If you're in a dorm room, shared living space, open-plan office, closed-plan office, working, etc, they're great. I can also relax and enjoy headphones without doing any work, but in general, 90% of the time I'm working while listening to headphones.

After nearly 20 years of a marketing career, saving, moving into a bigger house, no kids, etc we have enough space and wherewithal to have two other systems. One is a planar-based music-only system, which I admit sits relatively disused since getting into headphones. It takes up a ton of room and isn't particularly pretty, but it does have a more realistic quality than the in-your-head presentation of headphones. Does that make it superior? Not necessarily, just different.

We also have a dedicated home theater with a projector and big, bombastic speakers and a giant--though elderly--Velodyne sub. Is it better than headphones for movie viewing? Absolutely. Headphones are great when you don't want to bother someone, but there's really no substitute for big impact when it comes to movies.

So, it really comes down to usage and space. If I was more space-limited, the stereo listening system would go first, then the home theater...but the headphones would always stay.

Just some rambling perspective here. Stereo speaker systems, home theaters, and headphones will continue to coexist, with dominance being dictated by space, practicality, and cost issues.
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Re: Poll: What, if anything, divides headphiles and audiophiles?
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2013, 05:11:26 PM »

I like how video games sound out of cans more than out of speakers. There is a sense of immediacy and surround sound unique to good headphones when gaming.
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Re: Poll: What, if anything, divides headphiles and audiophiles?
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2013, 07:53:08 PM »

I like how video games sound out of cans more than out of speakers. There is a sense of immediacy and surround sound unique to good headphones when gaming.

Do you use a Mixamp or something similar?
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Re: Poll: What, if anything, divides headphiles and audiophiles?
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2013, 09:03:44 PM »

What is this, Head-Fi? :P

I do it all when I can. Prefer headphones for convenience, portability, isolation (for myself and others), etc.
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Re: Poll: What, if anything, divides headphiles and audiophiles?
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2013, 11:29:09 PM »

I like how video games sound out of cans more than out of speakers. There is a sense of immediacy and surround sound unique to good headphones when gaming.

Somewhat related to this point is that headphones have become such a staple in young peoples's listening habits that lots of new music seem to be mastered for headphone listening. A lot of the new hip-hop and electronic albums I listen to sound much better on headphones, where different elements of the track seem to be coming from behind or around you. The traditional stereo imaging of a sound field in front of you isn't quite as prevalent as it was in years past.
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Re: Poll: What, if anything, divides headphiles and audiophiles?
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2013, 11:30:20 PM »

I agree with Schitt, it depends on the room and what you can do with it. I've heard a variety of active studio monitors and passives in desktop nearfield setups, and to be honest most of the time it's not that impressive. The sound stage is rarely any better and can often be worse than a great pair of headphones. When you're sitting 3 feet from a pair of speakers that are 12" tall, the image they throw at you basically exists within that 12" height, and slightly to the outside edge of each speaker. Some are better at this than others, but there's certainly no feeling of "being there" from basically anything on a desk, even $3K/pr actives. It's like you're listening to a band through a tiny window.

Put those same 12" tall speakers on 28" stands, move back to about 8 feet from them, and pull them 8 feet apart from each other, and in a room with a little thought to acoustics the result is radically different, and to my ears, still untouchable by even $5K headphones. The little 3' x 1' window that you were listening through on desk can become the size of most of the front wall, and musicians take on lifelike size.

The idea that buying a high-end headphone setup saves you a boatload of cash vs. a high-end speaker setup is basically total bullshit. I've heard $5-10K Stax rigs (I also owned one for awhile) and I've heard plenty of $10K speaker rigs. Assuming some real thought went into the speaker rig, it's going to win.

For the price of a T1 or HD800, you can get some very nice monitors, particularly from the factory direct speaker builders, you don't even have to go DIY to get a good value. For the price of the SR-009 or Abyss, monitors are approaching state of the art, and large floor standers will still be very, very good.

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Re: Poll: What, if anything, divides headphiles and audiophiles?
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2013, 11:36:26 PM »

Somewhat related to this point is that headphones have become such a staple in young peoples's listening habits that lots of new music seem to be mastered for headphone listening. A lot of the new hip-hop and electronic albums I listen to sound much better on headphones, where different elements of the track seem to be coming from behind or around you. The traditional stereo imaging of a sound field in front of you isn't quite as prevalent as it was in years past.

To my ears most new music just sounds like shit. It's blasted to hell with zero dynamic range, and a lot of it is frankly unlistenable on anything, headphones or speakers. Here's the new NIN for example at 320CBR MP3, CD on top, "audiophile master" on the bottom. Yes the "audiophile version" is clipped to absolute hell, because the engineers pushed it louder than the CD.

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