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Author Topic: Great article on Inner Fidelity / My measurement methodology revealed!  (Read 1994 times)

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Marvey

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Here is a great article on Inner Fidelity about Dr. Sean Olive at Harmon and some of the great work he's done on headphone measurements: http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/harman-researchers-make-important-headway-understanding-headphone-response. Thank you Tyll.

I think it's a good read and Dr. Olive's conclusions are generally similar to what I have been saying for a while...
  • DF doesn't sound right in regards to headphone tuning. (Although I do feel IEMs need a slight bit of DF)
  • Flat neutral response = generally good / preferred. *
  • Measured performance taking into account pinna, ear canal, eardrum is highly affected by positioning, and may not be reflective of the tonal balance that we hear. (This should be obvious because speaker measurements taken by JA @ Stereophile and speaker builders have always been taken with a mic - typically a wand mic - not a dummy head.)
  • After 10kHz, it's hard to get a consistent measurement, especially with a coupler. This is why I chop off my IEM measurements after 9kHz. Too much BS - I felt one too many HF'ers were taking the results past 10kHz (coupler "induced" narrow peaks) too seriously.
  • And I quote: a strong preference for the speaker-in-room curves with the modified curve being most preferred. (This modified speaker-in-room curve is essentially a tilted straight line with the bass end about 10dB above the treble end.) **
*I ran a similar but much less formal and certainly not blind survey: http://www.head-fi.org/t/614631/do-objective-headphone-measurements-correlate-to-the-audiophiles-subjective-experience (study relied on experienced listeners here. it obviously wasn't taken well by a few @HF, but Dr. Olive's more formal study seems to support the initial informal survey.)

**Hmmm, where have we seen this? http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,833.msg21912.html#msg21912 (minor exceptions of course. the slope downward for this set of speakers isn't quite 10db for most of the FR - probably more like 8db. Also the dip in the last half octave is a result of the mic being a few degrees off from the tweeter. But overall you should get the get the general idea. And final tuning is always by ear.)

How are the old set of measurements on this site performed? With a sponge and then with a flat plate (the flat plate is required to get pressurization to get a good bass reading). I then combobulate the results and apply compensation curves (developed by comparing 1/3 octave noise, music, tones) to my "neutral" or "modified speaker-in-room curve" (per above definition more or less) reference. Two sets of speakers for reference. One in my living room, and one on my desk. I have also built many a speakers with "the modified in-room curve" utilizing different drivers since I was in my teens - and that was decades ago. This stuff was never top secret and well known by studio engineers. Again, what is my methodology or my special secret? I listen, then I compare to my reference. It's that simple. I've also relied on the ears of LFF, Anax, and to a lesser extent Ultrabike, RD, CT, Anedote, Strat, etc. and many others here as a check. And yes, the measurements have in the past been updated on a large scale as I've tweaked things, although this hasn't happened recently.

I know a few folks have stated that despite irregularities here or there, that my FR measurements tend to best to reflect what they actually hear. Well, the reason is because I actually know how "neutral" or how the "modified speaker-in-room curve" is supposed to sound like (for over 20 years now) and I've tweaked my methodology to reflect that - to use that as a reference. You can't know how this "modified speaker-in-room curve" is supposed to sound like from reading books, instruction manuals, AES papers, reading about compensation curves, mentally masturbating about whether DF or FF is more correct, etc. It's something that must be directly experienced. And no, such cannot be directly experienced at THE SHOW Newport, although two speaker systems came close this year (and I think none in 2012).

'nuff said.
« Last Edit: July 18, 2013, 02:32:16 PM by purrin »
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Thank you Tyll.

Yer welcome, mate. Keep up the good work.
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I commented on that thread a week or so ago. I love that they are finally doing this now. It's about time. I can't wait for the first models Harman produces based on their newfound education.
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I looked at the slides briefly on my dumbphone, was the famous Olive-Welti curve shown? Could someone post it here?
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I looked at the slides briefly on my dumbphone, was the famous Olive-Welti curve shown? Could someone post it here?


That needs to be purchased from AES library for $20.
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One of the very interesting concepts is that certain phones will be heard in the ear more consistently between different people.  (Separate from manufacturing variance.)
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Found that to be true as well.
Small supraaurals tend to be personal, similarly IEMs requiring deep fit.
The most consistent tend to be CIEMs (if not for the manufacturing variance), followed by large full size headphones.
Of course, speakers in the same room are the most consistent.

What would happen if we measured IEMs without a real coupler, but using an IEC-style silicone tube of the right volume instead?
Less spurious 10k peaks or more? Perhaps one with a small hole near the end, like the ear has?

Oh, and I find that I prefer my personal flat sound curve - equalized using sine tones. That is not electrically flat most likely and I'll measure it very soon. This underestimates sharp attack brightness by design, since it's not having many harmonics in the equalization sound.
Good speakers come very near to it. It does have some subbass rise, tends to be near 3 dB for large earspeakers like orthos, to +12 dB for IEMs.
« Last Edit: July 19, 2013, 06:19:08 AM by AstralStorm »
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