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Re: NBA action is Faaaaaannntastic?!?
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2014, 04:31:50 PM »

To continue shoutbox thread, I think Fish's first release, by the Jazz, was without trickery.  LA had good doctors, and its not like he was going to go to the Clippers.  It's not like he was jumping ship to be with a contender, Utah and LA were on pretty even footing that year.  LA was three games up, both were tops in their division in strong WC, Utah was knocked out in conference semis by LA.  If they could have paid a legitimate star 13M a year instead of AK, they would have been my favorite that year.


Some of the later stuff seems a bit more fishy.  Coming to the Mavs right after a title for example, (possibly) only to leave when it turned out they weren't going anywhere. 


It would be interesting if he used his daughter as an excuse every time but from what I know, that's not the case.  I haven't exactly followed it with a hawk's eye, my eye is usually on the East.

This ^.  I'd need to see actual evidence to to be able to judge whether he was making lemonade from lemons or was actually an evil genius.
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Re: NBA action is Faaaaaannntastic?!?
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2014, 05:50:44 PM »

Saw this linked on Grantland, seems like an interesting metric to add to the mix.  Chris Paul adding the most total points per game and Ricky Rubio subtracting the most sure makes sense to me.  Wouldn't be surprised if new school guys like Presti and Morey start using this data by next year when it will have been integrated league-wide.


On Brooks as a good/bad coach, this is going to be a debate until he wins a championship or is fired.  No one truly knew with Doug Collins either (outside of the intangibles which Collins was horrible with, see When Nothing Else Matters for full description of his crazy when it came to interpersonal/emotional things) until PJ took over and the Bulls soared and Doug was seen as stunted retroactively.  Another coach may well have been able to do the same with similar transcendent talent (especially as Brooks had the Trinity the only time they've made it to the finals.)  There are certain points that seem to bode well for his coaching prowess - one is OKC's surprisingly good defense that only seems to be getting better (7th in pts allowed, 4th defensive rating, first in TRB and blocks) along with their minimal dropoff in play over with Westbrook out this season (though the stellar play of Lamb and Jackson was certainly a larger factor than coaching.)  Offensively, OKC still runs things pretty archaicly compared to some other squads - the famous pindown that they ran 10 straight times against the Spurs in the playoffs two years ago is still their go-to, other than doing Jordan ball with Durant.  Watching the Heat-Clippers last night, especially the first two quarters, was revelatory - this is how an offense should run.  Wade, James, Bosh all got so many shots a foot or two from the basket with an array of screens, backdoors, and corner three misdirection.  I'd like to see OKC get more smart shots.


Brooks is certainly no Del Negro, but I don't think he's Pop either.  He strikes me as more of a Skiles, with a more even temperament and slightly more emphasis on offense.  He fell into a tremendous situation and appears to be making the most of it.
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Re: NBA action is Faaaaaannntastic?!?
« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2014, 06:17:53 PM »

That's a debate I wasn't even interested in having.  Though it is interesting.  The original question is whether Brooks was using or knew how to use Fisher appropriately.  I think there are a lot of valid points to support the decision.  Others think Brooks use of Fisher means Brooks=Tyrone Corbin which makes no sense to me based on any evidence or logic I can think of.
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Re: NBA action is Faaaaaannntastic?!?
« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2014, 09:23:10 PM »

Must have skimmed the box too quickly, seemed like two random topics (Fish and Brooks.)  Don't pay enough attention to OKC's games, specifically Fish's play to have an opinion.  He seemed pretty good against the heat the other week though.


I do think at this point, the Thunder as an organization are more interested in grooming the young guys than putting in the aging vet.  So whether or not Brooks knows how to utilize may partially tie into when he is utilized, and this might be affected by the guys upstairs.  When they signed him in the first place he seemed like he was there more for the playoff/championship experience and veteran presence on a very young team than for his particular skill set. 
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Re: NBA action is Faaaaaannntastic?!?
« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2014, 12:25:06 AM »

Not entirely on the topic of discussion, but Tari's point on grooming young guys seems more like an overall trend in the league than it has in the past.  I like that.  It is nice to see some of the small market teams that can't attract big names doing better this year.  There are a lot of young guys with something to prove coming into the league now that are getting a chance with the older established stars getting older.  There was a span there where it didn't seem like there were guys taking the place of someone like Kobe.  I use DeMar DeRozan as an example because I have watched him develop over the last couple of years.  I think the big market teams putting all their eggs in the "Big Three" basket has made the league more competitive as whole.  The big name guys with big contracts are getting older and becoming a liability.
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Re: NBA action is Faaaaaannntastic?!?
« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2014, 02:29:54 AM »

So question, is taking the time to groom a young PG worth risking the #1 seed and home court for the Playoffs and Finals if all you care about is killing the Heat?
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Re: NBA action is Faaaaaannntastic?!?
« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2014, 03:44:25 AM »

I say kill the Heat! 

The problem a team like OKC has is that it is very difficult to keep your talent together when you have those young guys develop into fully fledged players.  Either they get sniped with big contracts that you can't match (ahem Harden) or they want to have their own team (ahem Harden).  If winning at all costs right now is your goal then there is no question you forget about giving your young guys playing time.  You reach a critical point where you have to take a chance or else the whole thing will collapse around you when you can't keep that core of players together. 


This is most important in the NBA.  You are always going to have superstars, but the talented role players can be the difference between winning and losing.  Think of Lebron in Cleveland vs. Lebron in Miami.  While I dislike Bosh and he isn't a number one max contract guy, he makes a big difference on the Heat.  Same as Harden in OKC, Fischer in LA, Pippen in Chi etc.
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Re: NBA action is Faaaaaannntastic?!?
« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2014, 07:26:50 AM »

Just saw the highlights of the Clippers/76ers game.  Or should I say Harlem Globetrotters/76ers game.   :-DD

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1953965-philadelphia-76ers-vs-los-angeles-clippers-2914-video-highlights-and-recap
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Re: NBA action is Faaaaaannntastic?!?
« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2014, 05:46:15 PM »

They would never have been able to do that in Milwaukee with the Sanders/Henson/Gianis trio!


They'd still beat the Bucks by 40 though.  Until we get Embiid that is.
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Re: NBA action is Faaaaaannntastic?!?
« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2014, 06:57:14 PM »

Haha, you guys aren't getting Embiid.   :)p13
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