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NBA action is Faaaaaannntastic?!?
« on: July 08, 2013, 02:32:53 AM »

Had to start a NBA thread after this Dwightmare stuff.  As a Laker fan I could really care less either way whether he stayed or went, I really felt negative about both possibilities and it seems clear giving him a Laker's jersey was a mistake from the get go.

My beef is w/ people that think Dwight going to Houston makes them a championship team.  I mean, get real.  This is the same team that lost to the banged up and turmoiled Lakers last season.  Lin is a shell of himself and all they really have is Harden and DH.  Neither of which have any championship experience.  Parsons is good, but will he ever really be great?  Asik wants out so he's gone.  I thought the Houston choice made sense when they were hoping to go after J. Smith.  Now that J. Smith is in Detroit, this Houston business seems more hype to me.  At this point I see Houston as a 3-5 seed out West behind OKC and SA.  Tied w/ or below LAC and GS w/ Memphis nipping at their heels.  Not to mention if Houston even makes it through that crucible, what the heck are they going to do against Miami or Brooklyn?  Houston is still at least two years off from making a serious championship run due to lack of experience and other factors.  At which point, guess what?  He can opt out of his contract...again!

Which brings me to GS.  In my mind, the only reason to go to Houston over GS was taxes and the supposed benefit of access to Kevin McHale and Hakeem the Dream.  At this point, DH is much closer to Ralph Sampson than Hakeem Olajuwon.  He will never be Hakeem, he's too slow and too dumb.  From a pure talent perspective, fan support and fun factor/lack of pressure, and Jerry West running things, GS just kills Houston.  GS has the best fans in the NBA next to Memphis, a new stadium opening up, and just signed Iguadola.  In my mind, money did play a role w/ tax incentives and marketing a couple billion jerseys in China.

I just think DH fucked up again.  Likely because Howard and Harden have the same agent, Rob Pelinka.  In my mind, GS was the better choice if it were possible which I think it certainly was.  This whole DH drama has been totally overhyped and DH will probably come out the biggest loser in the end unless they land or develop another big piece to their puzzle.
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Re: NBA action is Faaaaaannntastic?!?
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2013, 03:38:18 AM »

A lot of the hype has to do with not much else to talk about with the season over and Dwight relishing in being an attention whore.  I think he made a good decision going to Houston, but GS makes sense as well.  Both make much more sense than staying with the ancient Lakers and getting all the blame again.  I don't think HOU is an automatic favorite to come out the West or anything, but they should have home court in the 1st round at least (OKC/SA/LAC/HOU).  HOU is built pretty similar to that finals Magic team in that they're fast paced, love to shoot 3s, have a decent PG, a big with range, and a guy who can set Dwight up (though Harden is drastically better than Turk).  They were an up and coming team last year and they added a top player is the way I look at it.  I'm not exactly sure if you can just say GS roster > HOU roster though...wouldn't GS had to have done a sign and trade to get Dwight?  I thought they'd be way over the cap and couldn't just sign him outright, especially after signing Iggy.  If that's the case there's no telling who would have been traded but I'm sure at least one of their young promising players would have been included and then it's debatable whether or not that roster is still > HOU.  I actually think GS is getting pretty overrated...let's not forget they went to the 2nd round because they faced an injured Denver team. 

Utah fan here.  VERY happy with our offseason.  We're finally out of the "trying to get 8th place/get high draft picks" era and now are in an obvious rebuilding phase.  So glad I don't have to watch Jefferson anymore, sad Millsap had to go but it didn't make sense to keep him, upset we couldn't keep Carroll, and praying we don't sign Mo "I think I'm Magic in his prime" Williams.  Now we can finally give our young talent (Favors/Kanter/Hayward/Burks) proper playing time to develop.  We should lose plenty, giving us a nice pick of our own in the supposedly stacked upcoming draft, as well as getting GS' picks.  We were under the salary minimum, so instead of signing any veterans to multiple year deals, we took on expiring contracts so we can renew Favors/Hayward next year and Kanter/Burks the year after.  We'll also have enough cap space (most in the league) in the offseason to sign an all star if necessary.  I expect us to be a lot like Portland was this past year - a good starting line up with a dreadful bench...or basically the opposite of what we've been the last few years.  Oh ya, and I'm pretty happy with our draft too ;) (Burke; Gobert, a freakishly long but pretty weak French C; and Raul Neto, that Brazilian PG who turned heads at the Olympics and has the same trainer as Rubio).  Hoping the lottery gods are on our side and we get Wiggins  ;D
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Re: NBA action is Faaaaaannntastic?!?
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2013, 05:52:08 AM »

I can't hate on Utah too much, you guys got Burke so....

I'd only agree to your analysis of Houston's lineup IF they convince Asik to stay and actually perform.  We saw Howard try to do the twin towers thing in LA for a brief time, ugh.  Asik staying amounts to career suicide at this point in his young career.  If GS had to give up Barnes and Thompson, then yes, but if only one then I think GS has the edge if Asik leaves.  Though my faith in Mark Jackson as a championship level coach is very little.  Houston only works if DH puts in the time and effort to take advantage of the mentors.  This is questionable.  GS provides the better/best moral support.  DH could take a dump on the golden gate bridge logo at center court and the fans would still go nutz!  I also see Steph Curry as being the better outside shooter and ball distributor compared to Harden.  I think SC is the far better floor general for DH assuming he can stay healthy.  Will Harden do a Wade or Kobe?  Meh, too late.

Yes, the Lakers are anemic.  Mostly because they gave up the ship pursuing Chris Paul (fucked by Stern) and DH (mental infant) with the original intent to get them both.  So yeah, anemic.  Though considering they had around the 4th best record in the NBA after the All-Star break, I think their reported demise was a bit of a joke.  Regardless, I'm appreciative of the clarity of direction that the Lakers now have.  Now it's just a matter of time before D'Antoni and then Jim Buss gets the goat if things don't start to make sense.  If Kobe and Pau can keep the numbers up into 2015, get some solid picks and FAs, I think other teams will have plenty to worry about.  The Lakers are far from done. 
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Re: NBA action is Faaaaaannntastic?!?
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2013, 02:35:31 AM »

Dude, you're going to love Ryan Kelly.  He's perfect for a D'Antoni system, and his defense is vastly underrated.
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Re: NBA action is Faaaaaannntastic?!?
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2013, 04:08:09 AM »

Hope he can find a spot at SF since we got Chris Kaman.  That would be a hilarious front court w/ three 7 footers that can shoot.  Sounds like he can defend the paint, not sure about foot speed though.  Bet he'll come off the bench if he can make the team which should be fine for his first year.  Artest should come off the bench.

I'm still not a fan of small ball though, the paint needs to be pounded.  Gives you offensive rebounds, trips to the FT line and pressures the D.  I really don't care how many titles Miami wins, they run a pretty shit offense w/o quick transition scoring, Lebron doing his Kobe and Battier draining threes.  I don't think that system deserves emulation unless you plan on letting the Spurs give you a ring.
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Re: NBA action is Faaaaaannntastic?!?
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2013, 04:29:33 AM »

Just want to say, I think Kaman is really good. I've been a huge fan ever since he broke out with the Clippers. Great footwork around the key and he's just as good a shooter as Gasol IMO. I like him a lot more at that position than a meathead like Howard or Bynum. Only real issue is his defense. Maybe it's gotten better since he left the Clippers; guess we'll see.

For the record, I'm not a Laker fan  ;)
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Re: NBA action is Faaaaaannntastic?!?
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2013, 06:41:49 AM »

Hehehe.  Lakers/Clippers.  FU Doc Rivers.
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Re: NBA action is Faaaaaannntastic?!?
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2013, 07:31:54 AM »

damn I lost 10 bucks on that game...I'm shocked :/
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Re: NBA action is Faaaaaannntastic?!?
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2013, 03:17:33 PM »

I'll give the clippers a few games to figure things out. 


I only saw a quarter last night, 3rd quarter of Heat/Bulls at the gym, and it was some of the worst basketball I've ever seen.  Sloppy, ugly play all around, no ball movement, falling into traps 4 feet behind the arc, and lots of jimmy butler easy layups.  Apparently Miami had a good rest of the game though.


I'm really interested to see what Indiana can do with a full playoff series this year, they're just so deep. 
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Re: NBA action is Faaaaaannntastic?!?
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2013, 04:11:48 PM »

Go Sox!    :)p1





Sorry for the thread crap, I can't resist when my Sox are fighting for the series!!
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