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Re: Take a listen please
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2013, 01:34:07 AM »

A sounded like it had better treble energy, thus better clarity/sharpness, while B sounded a bit shaved off at the upper reaches for the first ten seconds. I noticed it after one listen on my mediocre 10 yr old JBL loudspeakers.
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Re: Take a listen please
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2013, 01:41:00 AM »

can we get a hint of what to listen for and I can test using ABX if I can hear the things that you talk about?
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Re: Take a listen please
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2013, 01:54:50 AM »

Testing if foobar cheats... I converted A to an mp3 then transcoded back to flac LOL

foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.2.8
2013/06/23 09:49:43

File A: C:\Users\donunus\Downloads\a.flac
File B: C:\Users\donunus\Downloads\b.flac

09:49:43 : Test started.
09:49:52 : Trial reset.
09:50:02 : 01/01  50.0%
09:50:13 : 02/02  25.0%
09:50:22 : 03/03  12.5%
09:50:29 : 04/04  6.3%
09:50:34 : 05/05  3.1%
09:50:38 : 06/06  1.6%
09:50:43 : 07/07  0.8%
09:50:47 : 08/08  0.4%
09:50:51 : 09/09  0.2%
09:50:57 : 10/10  0.1%
09:51:02 : 11/11  0.0%
09:51:07 : 12/12  0.0%
09:51:10 : 13/13  0.0%
09:51:14 : 14/14  0.0%
09:51:18 : 15/15  0.0%
09:51:21 : 16/16  0.0%
09:51:27 : 17/17  0.0%
09:51:33 : 18/18  0.0%
09:51:37 : 19/19  0.0%
09:51:39 : 20/20  0.0%
09:51:42 : 21/21  0.0%
09:51:45 : 22/22  0.0%
09:51:48 : 23/23  0.0%
09:51:51 : 24/24  0.0%
09:51:55 : 25/25  0.0%
09:51:58 : 26/26  0.0%
09:52:04 : 27/27  0.0%
09:52:08 : 28/28  0.0%
09:52:12 : 29/29  0.0%
09:52:15 : 30/30  0.0%
09:52:18 : Test finished.

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Total: 30/30 (0.0%)

At least we know that I wasn't cheated the first time around hehehe
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Re: Take a listen please
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2013, 03:12:36 AM »

I believe you and the results. It wasn't that hard a test, unlike 320 vs. Flac...
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Re: Take a listen please
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2013, 03:41:02 AM »

A sounded like it had better treble energy, thus better clarity/sharpness, while B sounded a bit shaved off at the upper reaches for the first ten seconds.

I thought the same thing at first. Sample A seemed to have a bit more energy up top, but after a few more listens the difference seemed to fade away. Only have my Etymotics plugged in right now.
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Re: Take a listen please
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2013, 04:07:37 AM »

The more you listen to it, the more your senses will dull and desensitize. Then, it's time for a break. I was relying on my first instincts before that stage set in. There's probably more going on that I didn't notice. I didn't bother to assess it past the first half.
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Re: Take a listen please
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2013, 05:03:58 AM »

Yah thats what happened with the first five that I got right 5/5 then it went downhill from there.

Like xnor said though, if we knew exactly what to look for, it would be easier to consistently get which one is which. Sometimes I think I hear a difference but I can't grasp what the difference exactly was so I just did the abx test to see if it was imagined. Then the straight 5/5 proved to me that I was actually hearing a difference but it all faded away after that.
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Re: Take a listen please
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2013, 07:23:57 AM »

A sounded cleaner, more refined w/ clearer more precise dynamics, imaging, micro dynamics, air, and natural timbre.  B sounded rougher/grainier around the edges and more smeared, almost like a MP3.  Cymbals on the percussion set sounded harsh and mechanical, instruments were softer and less natural sounding feeling more claustrophobic w/ less air to breathe.  This hurt pankton found in the trailing decays and settling of notes where A was superior.


Only listened to them twice because running those two 30 sec clips back to back induces fatigue extremely quick.  If I were to design a A/B or DBT, those truncated 30 sec snippets would be the quickest way to induce a 50/50 split over extended listening. I had to take a 2-3 minute break just between those two listens as the first set started to boggle my head and ears after it recycled on repeat before I had time to think about it.


B is more fucked up than A, you can tell me otherwise but I won't believe you based on what I heard and tell you to verify your labeling methodology because it would be wrong.


Edit - Although A is better, it's not even as good as my hi-rez rip of Nighfly so your version is either a worse master or has been processed, or perhaps even a higher rez mp3 than B even.
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Re: Take a listen please
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2013, 09:35:26 AM »

Ok so we both like "A" better and I still did get a 5/5 before I forced myself to do more trials. I just can't say much about the plankton though since I am only using the hd280pros but "A" did seem more relaxed and less etched. Still If I listen closely they do sound like they are from the same master since I can hear the tape's wow and flutter.
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Re: Take a listen please
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2013, 10:52:28 AM »

The version is based on the Japanese SACD released 2011. Maybe it's the remastering or the downmixing that makes it sound worse to you.
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