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Re: HiFiMAN HE-500 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #60 on: December 29, 2012, 06:12:55 AM »

Yeah, I'd have to agree with that as someone who used it for awhile.  It can actually sound good with some headphones, but won't be true to the character of any of them. 

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Re: HiFiMAN HE-500 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #61 on: December 30, 2012, 08:40:08 PM »

oh, well gosh darn then. I shall ask if they have a balanced cable for the schiit instead first. thanks for the heads up!
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Re: HiFiMAN HE-500 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #62 on: January 12, 2013, 10:36:32 PM »

Hm, I measured the impedance (or rather, just the resistance) of the two drivers in my HE500, and they turned out to be 45 Ohm - 32 Ohm. Pretty bad right? But the actual channel balance still sounds almost completely dead on even down to 20 Hz. Does anyone know what such a big impedance/resistance imbalance could potentially cause, or is it mostly benign?
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Re: HiFiMAN HE-500 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #63 on: January 13, 2013, 01:43:41 AM »

It'll only cause a 1.48db difference which mighty covered up by small driver variances as well..

10 * log(45/32) = 1.48db

You can try the SPL Meter iPhone app and put the iphone headset mic in between your ear and driver for a poor man meter that works well for relative comparisons in drivers, and play tones.
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Re: HiFiMAN HE-500 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #64 on: January 13, 2013, 03:37:26 AM »

It'll only cause a 1.48db difference which mighty covered up by small driver variances as well..

10 * log(45/32) = 1.48db

You can try the SPL Meter iPhone app and put the iphone headset mic in between your ear and driver for a poor man meter that works well for relative comparisons in drivers, and play tones.

1.5dB across the whole FR would be a pretty big difference though, if I use Sinegen I could easily detect a 1dB perceived imbalance as the fact that the projected centerpoint of the tone would shift a little to one of the sides, and basically the balance stays center except some abrupt shifts at a few points (reflected by the horizontal shift in FR between channels also shown with purrin's FR plots). Maybe Hifiman engineers somehow tune the drivers by hand to offset any resistance/impedance difference?
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Re: HiFiMAN HE-500 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #65 on: January 13, 2013, 06:44:19 AM »

That seems unlikely they'd do that. It'd be easier to just match driver impendences from the batches so they are pared up equally. Try the SPL Meter app method with the iphone mic, there might be a 1.5db difference that you're just used to or can't hear from slight off center (even if you can hear the change when you do it in sinegen, deltas with just one tone are easier to hear).
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Re: HiFiMAN HE-500 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #66 on: January 13, 2013, 06:54:26 AM »

That seems unlikely they'd do that. It'd be easier to just match driver impendences from the batches so they are pared up equally. Try the SPL Meter app method with the iphone mic, there might be a 1.5db difference that you're just used to or can't hear from slight off center (even if you can hear the change when you do it in sinegen, deltas with just one tone are easier to hear).

That's definitely possible. I don't have an iphone though so can't do this test off the bat. I did however try adding 1.5dB to either side and then doing tone sweeps, and whichever side I added 1.5dB on turned out to be louder throughout the sweeps. Also tried same dB per channel but swapped the headphones so my ears are listening to the opposite channels, and the sweeps still turned out dead center for most of the part. I really don't see how it is imbalanced.

Are the impedance measurements with a simple multimetre on 60Ohm resistance setting, actually impedance though? I read somewhere on Head-fi that these measurements are not representative of anything tangible.
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Re: HiFiMAN HE-500 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #67 on: January 13, 2013, 06:58:35 AM »

It'll only cause a 1.48db difference which mighty covered up by small driver variances as well..

10 * log(45/32) = 1.48db

You can try the SPL Meter iPhone app and put the iphone headset mic in between your ear and driver for a poor man meter that works well for relative comparisons in drivers, and play tones.

From what source? From a low impedance source, I can't imagine the channel difference being anywhere near that high?
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Re: HiFiMAN HE-500 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #68 on: January 13, 2013, 07:17:16 AM »

It'll only cause a 1.48db difference which mighty covered up by small driver variances as well..

10 * log(45/32) = 1.48db

You can try the SPL Meter iPhone app and put the iphone headset mic in between your ear and driver for a poor man meter that works well for relative comparisons in drivers, and play tones.

From what source? From a low impedance source, I can't imagine the channel difference being anywhere near that high?

I'm not familiar with headphone electrical science, how does the source impedance factor into this exactly?
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Re: HiFiMAN HE-500 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
« Reply #69 on: January 13, 2013, 08:15:17 AM »

That seems unlikely they'd do that. It'd be easier to just match driver impendences from the batches so they are pared up equally. Try the SPL Meter app method with the iphone mic, there might be a 1.5db difference that you're just used to or can't hear from slight off center (even if you can hear the change when you do it in sinegen, deltas with just one tone are easier to hear).

That's definitely possible. I don't have an iphone though so can't do this test off the bat. I did however try adding 1.5dB to either side and then doing tone sweeps, and whichever side I added 1.5dB on turned out to be louder throughout the sweeps. Also tried same dB per channel but swapped the headphones so my ears are listening to the opposite channels, and the sweeps still turned out dead center for most of the part. I really don't see how it is imbalanced.

Are the impedance measurements with a simple multimetre on 60Ohm resistance setting, actually impedance though? I read somewhere on Head-fi that these measurements are not representative of anything tangible.

For planars it is actually impedance because the resistance over frequency for planars is pretty much flat. For dynamic and especially IEMs this isn't true..
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