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Lobby => IEM Measurements => Topic started by: Marvey on January 23, 2013, 07:32:56 AM

Title: FAD 1601 Measurements
Post by: Marvey on January 23, 2013, 07:32:56 AM
Also discussed here: http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,742.msg17030.html#msg17030 (http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,742.msg17030.html#msg17030)

(http://www.changstar.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=757.0;attach=2865;image)

Subjective Impressions pre-measurement - this time with the bare metal tips:
Nominate to Wall of Shame / Walkin' the Plank?

This is the kind of shit that pisses me off. Only because it gives nwavguy and minions ammunition that high-end = colored rip-off gear. The tonal coloration is not pleasant. It is simply low-fidelity. Although from HF, we all know that low-fidelity may be pleasant sounding to a few.

FYI: per all other IEM measurements on this site, there is a cutoff after 9kHz.
Title: Re: FAD 1601 Measurements
Post by: Marvey on January 23, 2013, 07:39:00 AM
Burst Decays.
Title: Re: FAD 1601 Measurements
Post by: Maxvla on January 23, 2013, 07:50:00 AM
 :-00
Title: Re: FAD 1601 Measurements
Post by: Marvey on January 23, 2013, 07:55:05 AM
Sonove's results: http://sonove.angry.jp/finalaudiodesign_FlDC1601SB.html (http://sonove.angry.jp/finalaudiodesign_FlDC1601SB.html) (Just found out Sonove measured the same thing - I run a slightly different compensation curve, but results are consistent with his.)

Alternate subjective impressions from HF: http://www.head-fi.org/t/458719/wow-the-final-audio-design-fi-dc1601sb-also-known-as-dont-go-to-yodobashi-lol (http://www.head-fi.org/t/458719/wow-the-final-audio-design-fi-dc1601sb-also-known-as-dont-go-to-yodobashi-lol)


Title: Re: FAD 1601 Measurements
Post by: Marvey on January 23, 2013, 07:58:24 AM
Harmonic Distortion.

Bass distortion does make these things much warmer than the FR graph by itself would indicate. Higher order distortion is relatively low. Midrange distortion is actually decent/good.
Title: Re: FAD 1601 Measurements
Post by: Maxvla on January 23, 2013, 07:59:02 AM
How do you make something so bad?  p:0

and LOL @ the 'best IEMs I've ever heard' impressions.
Title: Re: FAD 1601 Measurements
Post by: ultrabike on January 23, 2013, 08:11:00 AM
Definitively walk the plank
Title: Re: FAD 1601 Measurements
Post by: Sforza on January 23, 2013, 08:35:04 AM
Questions on the measurements:

- Clearly they were tuned to sound like... something. The low frequency roll off starting at 100hz is exactly where the distortion measurements start to build up towards a peak. Is there anything from the marketing copy that states what they exactly the designers were going for?

- Is that drop between 1 and 2khz audible?

- Do they really just roll off off at 4.5khz? It's ridiculous to have something that's that limited.

- I read on some descriptions of a similarly shaped FAD product that they were supposed to "equalize ear pressure" or something. Do they even seal properly to begin with?

Anyway...  walk the plank
Title: Re: FAD 1601 Measurements
Post by: Marvey on January 23, 2013, 08:41:36 AM
Questions on the measurements:

- Clearly they were tuned to sound like... something. The low frequency roll off starting at 100hz is exactly where the distortion measurements start to build up towards a peak. Is there anything from the marketing copy that states what they exactly the designers were going for?


- Is that drop between 1 and 2khz audible?

- Do they really just roll off off at 4.5khz? It's ridiculous to have something that's that limited.

- I read on some descriptions of a similarly shaped FAD product that they were supposed to "equalize ear pressure" or something. Do they even seal properly to begin with?

Anyway...  walk the plank


Answers below:
          poo poo poo
Title: Re: FAD 1601 Measurements
Post by: ultrabike on January 23, 2013, 08:52:31 AM
Trying to picture how these would sound, but from the measurements and description seems to me that the target coloration here is the analog telephone line p:8
Title: Re: FAD 1601 Measurements
Post by: Maxvla on January 23, 2013, 08:59:06 AM
Same thought 'bike. Telephone.
Title: Re: FAD 1601 Measurements
Post by: Marvey on January 23, 2013, 09:01:30 AM
Yes. But the very old lines before digital compression - when telephone sets were all owned by AT&T. Thinking '70s here, so not all people will know. Modern wireless phones with compressed signals sound nothing like how phones did in the '70s.

Again, it's much warmer sounding than the FR would indicate.
Title: Re: FAD 1601 Measurements
Post by: MuppetFace on January 23, 2013, 12:47:37 PM
Hah, I actually like the way these sound. I totally understand why others think they suck. You may not remember, but I told you I didn't think you'd like these a while back purrin lol.

Not to keep parroting myself, but FAD did have a specific sound in mind when they made these. They wanted them to sound like really old horn speakers. They did a better job on their successors, the 1602 (aka "Piano Fortes"). Those who are trying to imagine how they sound... telephone line is kind of accurate in a way.

It doesn't help that the fit on these is atrocious and screws up the sound even more.
Title: Re: FAD 1601 Measurements
Post by: Marvey on January 23, 2013, 04:17:42 PM
I think FAD gimped this one too much. The FP VIII is a much better interpretation (or perhaps evolution?) I assume they based these on horn speakers of the 1910 and 20s before stuff started getting really good by the 40s (Altec VoTT, etc.)