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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #120 on: January 20, 2013, 04:19:06 PM »
You've misread, it was a rhethoric question. I've meant to point out the best way to account for preferences.
Exactly what you said - it is superbly important to know the preferences of the reviewers, then "subtract" them from the impressions and "add" your own tastes.
Say, the reviewer loves tube rolloff, you don't. This doesn't mean you have to toss out all the reviews, but you need to keep that in mind.
However you can still make a mistake then if the fuzzy terms don't match exactly.

Many reviewers don't state their preferences directly unfortunately. That makes an objective measurement an even more vital tool to validate reviewer's likes and dislikes.
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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #121 on: January 20, 2013, 04:48:43 PM »
Quote from: Rabbit on January 20, 2013, 01:27:06 PM
So, no BS. What's the best headphone?  Measuring them should be able to point this out with ease. p:8

Judging from measurements alone made by Purrin a handful qualify.
I have to say I never heard a single one of them.. (I know it sucks, but think I am on par on 3rd place)

1: Modded HE AudiJade.
2: Sennheiser Orpheus HE90
3: LFF Paradox + my filter to lift the 'missing' top end.
4: Stax SR009
5: HiFiMan HE-6 (if it weren't fro the terrible ringing at 6kHz
6: Sony R10 B.H. if it didn't have a peak at 15kHz (which can be filtered)

Note 3rd place ... a modified T50RP and the price range compared to the top.
For people on a bugdet it is a no-brainer.

For people that have plenty and care nothing about spending money..
HE-Audiojade / HE90 / SR009 + the needed amplifiers

As stated never heard any of these so only seen from 'measurements only'
Personal preference, comparative listening sessions, subjective preference, bias (of owning one) may, however, alter the ranking and or remove/add items from this list.

I think musical, analytical, PRaT, and the 'wive loves them too' (if they didn't know what it had cost you) may all apply and ... they are all 'fast' and do transients well.
No farting one-note bass in sight.
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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #122 on: January 20, 2013, 05:10:55 PM »
 :)p13

Thanks Solderdude. After that it becomes more a question of personal preference!! It is quite amazing how variable the costs of those headphones are and how the cost doesn't necessarily reflect the sound that you're getting.

So, the amount you're prepared to spend isn't really a huge barrier to quality sound either. You are slowly getting me more and more interested in those LFF Paradox in spite of what they look like!! I wonder how different the straight Fostex is by comparison? There's quite a difference in price - probably the time spent on them I guess.

The other thing though, is that these headphones will all sound so different as well. So none of them can be 'flat'? So we're back to personal (subjective) preferences once they've been proved technically good headphones.

It looks like a very tasty collection too!!  :)p1
« Last Edit: January 20, 2013, 05:32:47 PM by Rabbit »
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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #123 on: January 20, 2013, 05:20:04 PM »
Quote from: Solderdude on January 20, 2013, 04:48:43 PM
Quote from: Rabbit on January 20, 2013, 01:27:06 PM
So, no BS. What's the best headphone?  Measuring them should be able to point this out with ease. p:8

Judging from measurements alone made by Purrin a handful qualify.
I have to say I never heard a single one of them.. (I know it sucks, but think I am on par on 3rd place)

1: Modded HE AudiJade.
2: Sennheiser Orpheus HE90
3: LFF Paradox + my filter to lift the 'missing' top end.
4: Stax SR009
5: HiFiMan HE-6 (if it weren't fro the terrible ringing at 6kHz
6: Sony R10 B.H. if it didn't have a peak at 15kHz (which can be filtered)

Note 3rd place ... a modified T50RP and the price range compared to the top.
For people on a bugdet it is a no-brainer.

For people that have plenty and care nothing about spending money..
HE-Audiojade / HE90 / SR009 + the needed amplifiers

As stated never heard any of these so only seen from 'measurements only'
Personal preference, comparative listening sessions, subjective preference, bias (of owning one) may, however, alter the ranking and or remove/add items from this list.

I think musical, analytical, PRaT, and the 'wive loves them too' (if they didn't know what it had cost you) may all apply and ... they are all 'fast' and do transients well.
No farting one-note bass in sight.

I think you need to look at the distortion measurements as well before you can rank them.

The Jade does not have the levels of transparency of the SR-009 or HE90. Not sure what mods were done, but I had a stock final version Jade and used it with my Blue Hawaii. Just from what I heard my ears tell me it has higher distortion than the HE90 and SR-009. SR-Omega also measures well in FR and sounded like it had low distortion. To use an old school (perhaps nonsensical) goredwingsfan term, the Jades have a Fuzzy McFuzz coloration to them that doesn't quite give you the absolute clearest window to the recording.
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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #124 on: January 20, 2013, 06:01:08 PM »
Seems some have missed/forgotten the modded HD800s and how far the noise floor can be dropped on them compared to even the 009.  No way is it not a top 5 phone objectively.  Top 3 in my book.
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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #125 on: January 20, 2013, 06:05:07 PM »
Jades are not as clean at the 009 or as resolving as the HE90. The mods do not make the Jades any any cleaner sounding - they simply even out the FR wrinkles.

I don't think anything touches the 009 in terms of clean presentation and transient response. My issue with the 009 is its tonal balance. I like it on some days and not so much on others. Also, I've never felt the 009 were that resolving in terms of plankton extraction.
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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #126 on: January 20, 2013, 06:43:06 PM »
'Plankton extraction' ...... what a great term!!  :)p13

So when we get to a top ten, words become important. We can't avoid it. Mind you, your wording is slightly better:

I don't think anything touches the 009 in terms of clean presentation and transient response.
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The 009 is a better headphone because it puts you in a front row seat and it really is a fast headphone. Really musical too?

It almost sounds like a Grado when put like that.  p:8
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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #127 on: January 20, 2013, 06:50:48 PM »
Grado has better PRaT.   >:D   Who said that?!   :-00
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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #128 on: January 20, 2013, 06:57:24 PM »
No, that's the name of the person wearing them.  :)p13
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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #129 on: January 20, 2013, 07:35:48 PM »
Quote from: purrin on January 20, 2013, 06:05:07 PM
Jades are not as clean at the 009 or as resolving as the HE90. The mods do not make the Jades any any cleaner sounding - they simply even out the FR wrinkles.

I don't think anything touches the 009 in terms of clean presentation and transient response. My issue with the 009 is its tonal balance. I like it on some days and not so much on others. Also, I've never felt the 009 were that resolving in terms of plankton extraction.

As said I never heard any of them and ranking would depend on other things as well.
The HE90/AudioJades/SR009 seem like the best ones including the Paradox which is unusually flat for the price tag (upto 10kHz) and shows no peaks or dips worth mentioning.
In any case there seems to be consensus that these 3 electrostats are exceptional headphones.

Money no object = SR009 BUT since money is no concern get yourself 2 or 3 other headphones and amps as well such as HE-90 e.t.c.  ;D
Those on a tight budget IMO should get a T50RP and mod them properly (I don't care for them in stock form)

Next we need a (short) list with excellent (reference) recordings that can be easily obtained so we can all discuss the same 'findings' with as least as possible nonsensical terms.
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