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My own impressions on HD700, Shure SRH1840 and Denon D7100
« on: September 15, 2012, 08:42:28 AM »

Yesterday, I had chance to hear those three cans in one of Hi-Fi stores. Nothing is better than hear them in real life when there is so much noise. To comparison, I brought my own Sennheiser HD650 and Beyerdynamic T1 (I found out I did not need to, since the store had those headphones as well). You can check my profile at Head-Fi (exactly same ID there) to see what other headphones/setup I currently use/own.


HD700 : They are seriously low-fi, and I am quite shocked to find that they are probably even worse than Sennheiser's entry lineups such as HD555.... well, at least to my ears. Unlike many Sennheiser headphones that cost over $200 or more, I don't find these phones even remotely revealing, nevermind it has $1000 price tag.

Unlike many others saying, I found HD700 being actually far harsher than HD800 (not as bad as Ultrasone, but when I first heard it, I honestly thought Sennheiser might outsourced HD700 to Ultrasone.) while still being very low detailed. The only good things I can say about them are very large soundstage and good tonality other than treble area.

These phones are sadly failure (and I normally don't use such strong word on headphones other than Ultrasone until this time). These phones are worth at best $150, not $1000.


SRH1840 : They are sounded very good. Other than bass detail is rather low, I had very hard time finding any problematic faults on them. They are indeed decent headphones with very HD650-like sound signature, which undoubtedly will be liked by many. The problem is price. Honestly I don't think they are better than HD650, with HD650 have better imaging and far better bass detail, and HD650 currently cost $500 while 1840 cost $700. I might had picked it up right away if they were like $350 instead.


D7100 : I suspect those who are bashing new Denons are the ones who never heard old Denon series in the first place. To my ears, they are quite similar to old Denon series, which all of them have overpowered bass. One thing I noticed is that they finally fixed painful treble present on old Denon headphones, however they have slightly stronger bass response, which I disliked.

I say the value of these new headphones are not much different from older series. My recommendation is wait for inevitable price drop, or make a deal with a retailer if you can, or just grab Kenwood KH-K1000 and be done with closed headphones in general. New Denon D7100 are fine closed headphones for 700~800 bucks, like old D7000 were.


And there were some other headphones on the store, such as HD650 and T1, LCD-2 and LCD-3. Like previous experience with these headphones, LCD-3 sounded like AM radio, far worse than any other high-end headphones I've heard exception of Ultrasone headphones in general. That said, only headphones sounded worse than LCD-3 on the store were HD700. The store's HD650, T1 and LCD-2 sounded almost exactly same as ones I own, so I won't comment on them.







No wait, I must comment.



After hearing all of these new headphones, I plugged my beloved HD650, and felt such immense irony that despite it's been a decade HD650 have been released, even today, very few headphones suppress these old Sennheisers regardless of the price range. Even today's $500 price tag, they are really decent headphones for the price its asking. I don't understand today's status of headphones. While I understand they can hike up the price thanks to Monster and Dr.Dre's ridiculous marketing, but at least sound quality should have been improving..... just where were those engineering achievements gone to?

Really, these days, only company that improved sound of their product, and launched new products that do not suck is ironically Grado. Tomorrow, I will try listen to Focal's new headphones. Wish me luck.




Conclusion & TL:DR : HD650 sounded so good, you must have buy one if you haven't.
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Re: My own impressions on HD700, Shure SRH1840 and Denon D7100
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2012, 08:46:39 AM »

Any word on the equipment they were driven by?
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Re: My own impressions on HD700, Shure SRH1840 and Denon D7100
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2012, 08:50:18 AM »

Musical Fidelity M1HPA and M1DAC. Source was some Hi Fi CD player (I forgot the name)
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Re: My own impressions on HD700, Shure SRH1840 and Denon D7100
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2012, 09:50:25 AM »

I heard the HD700, T1 and T70 out of a http://www.bravoaudio.com/Bravo%20Ocean.html at a local store.

The T1 couldn't be driven properly or was broken, it was crackling and lackluster and quite poor. I will assume fault with the amp, because i would hope no S$1500 headphone would be that bad.

The T70 gave me a massive headache, the tubes gave it a nice low end but the treble was ear piercing and i couldn't take it for long. However vocals on these phones were amazing, especially female vocals.

Of the 3 i tried the HD700 was the best all round fairly nice bass, the female vocals couldn't touch the t70's, but the treble didn't give me a headache. But that isn't saying much. None of them sounded better than my DT880's so i didn't bother to get any.

I will abstain from judging the T1's as I think they may have had a problem or the amp was clipping/breaking trying to power them i'm not sure, but the sound was awful.

My search for an upgrade to my DT880's continues. I would love to try HiFiMans but no shop here stocks the Headphones only the DAPs.

I had left the shop thinking the low-fi problem was the amp combo, but they were offering a bundle which was well priced,the amp plus the headphone for less than the cost of the headphone alone.. not sure how it works, so i thought i should try them with that amp... after joining these forums i'm thinking perhaps the issue was the phones.
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Re: My own impressions on HD700, Shure SRH1840 and Denon D7100
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2012, 10:07:20 AM »

Like previous experience with these headphones, LCD-3 sounded like AM radio, far worse than any other high-end headphones I've heard exception of Ultrasone headphones in general. That said, only headphones sounded worse than LCD-3 on the store were HD700. The store's HD650, T1 and LCD-2 sounded almost exactly same as ones I own, so I won't comment on them.

So presumably the LCD-2 sounded good enough to buy, but the LCD-3s are like AM radio?

I also prefer the 2s to the 3s, though I suspect it's by a lesser margin.
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Re: My own impressions on HD700, Shure SRH1840 and Denon D7100
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2012, 10:31:14 AM »

I'm quite familiar with how the D7000 sounds, as I've owned the older and newer revisions of it, and have spent the last two+ weeks with the D7100 Artisan.

It's weird. The D7100 sounds a bit cleaner in the mids and highs. Maybe even the bass. However it's only when I EQ down the absolutely ridiculous, massive bass response that I can really tell. Same with the spatial qualities, soundstage and imaging, which are actually pretty good. It's that ridiculous bass however which, especially compared to the newer-revision D7000, is simply too overpowering and drowns everything else out.

I've likened the effect to a windtunnel; or, more specifically, trying to read in a windtunnel as the pages get blown back into your face. The way the D7100 is tuned makes it far too blustery and assaults the senses. It's literally a bass bombardment, and it's not pleasant and makes for a very fatiguing listen after a short span of time.

Compared to the model I demoed prior, the treble roll off doesn't seem to be a problem like it was before. Not sure what's up with that. I find the D7100 works best just out of a DAP or notebook, without all the fuss of an external amp. The claims on the box that they were "tuned for transparency" and "have a flat FR" are simply laughable. Same with the $1200 price.

As for the design and fit of it, they've grown on me somewhat.
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Re: My own impressions on HD700, Shure SRH1840 and Denon D7100
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2012, 11:02:57 AM »

Like previous experience with these headphones, LCD-3 sounded like AM radio, far worse than any other high-end headphones I've heard exception of Ultrasone headphones in general. That said, only headphones sounded worse than LCD-3 on the store were HD700. The store's HD650, T1 and LCD-2 sounded almost exactly same as ones I own, so I won't comment on them.

So presumably the LCD-2 sounded good enough to buy, but the LCD-3s are like AM radio?

I also prefer the 2s to the 3s, though I suspect it's by a lesser margin.

People keep telling me LCD-3 needs 'right setup' for not sounding like AM audio, and then it will be far better than LCD-2.
The problem is I haven't heard such right setup yet (if it exists.) The fact that there is't much air on those ortho phone design make situation worse for LCD-3, and with pads being very soft, the room between ear and driver is also very small compared to LCD-2. Plus stronger bass response, those issues make LCD-3 sound...... like AM radio for me (I really suspect the pad is the main issue. Maybe someday I ask them if I can listen LCD-3 with LCD-2 pads...)


Edit : and yes LCD-2 are amazing phones for me. With Sennheiser they are my main phones.
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Re: My own impressions on HD700, Shure SRH1840 and Denon D7100
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2012, 11:05:12 AM »

I'm quite familiar with how the D7000 sounds, as I've owned the older and newer revisions of it, and have spent the last two+ weeks with the D7100 Artisan.

It's weird. The D7100 sounds a bit cleaner in the mids and highs. Maybe even the bass. However it's only when I EQ down the absolutely ridiculous, massive bass response that I can really tell. Same with the spatial qualities, soundstage and imaging, which are actually pretty good. It's that ridiculous bass however which, especially compared to the newer-revision D7000, is simply too overpowering and drowns everything else out.

I've likened the effect to a windtunnel; or, more specifically, trying to read in a windtunnel as the pages get blown back into your face. The way the D7100 is tuned makes it far too blustery and assaults the senses. It's literally a bass bombardment, and it's not pleasant and makes for a very fatiguing listen after a short span of time.

Compared to the model I demoed prior, the treble roll off doesn't seem to be a problem like it was before. Not sure what's up with that. I find the D7100 works best just out of a DAP or notebook, without all the fuss of an external amp. The claims on the box that they were "tuned for transparency" and "have a flat FR" are simply laughable. Same with the $1200 price.

As for the design and fit of it, they've grown on me somewhat.

Thanks for the input, for my case, they sounded ok with better treble and a bit stronger bass. Maybe like many other companies recently, inconsistency can be a issue on these new headphones as well.
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Re: My own impressions on HD700, Shure SRH1840 and Denon D7100
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2012, 04:35:41 PM »

Like previous experience with these headphones, LCD-3 sounded like AM radio, far worse than any other high-end headphones I've heard exception of Ultrasone headphones in general. That said, only headphones sounded worse than LCD-3 on the store were HD700. The store's HD650, T1 and LCD-2 sounded almost exactly same as ones I own, so I won't comment on them.


You can always TP mod the LCD3 to bring it closer to the r2.
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Re: My own impressions on HD700, Shure SRH1840 and Denon D7100
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2012, 05:14:32 PM »

Thanks for the input, for my case, they sounded ok with better treble and a bit stronger bass. Maybe like many other companies recently, inconsistency can be a issue on these new headphones as well.

Yeah, the mids on up through the highs sound clearer and a bit more refined compared to the stock D7000. The highs seem better controlled and less prone to inducing headaches with certain material. In fact I'd say they almost sound rolled off at times (the demo unit was far worse in this regard). However the bass response is what ruins these for me: it's much more pervasive to my ears than the D7000. When you pop them on for a brief listen, say 5 to 10 minutes, it's actually not too bad. It have a certain novelty. That novelty wears thin however, and after 30 minutes these become almost unlistenable for me. Just way too fatiguing. Gives the D7100 this "in yer face!!" quality that makes it difficult to concentrate or focus on details in the music. This leads to a lack of immersion, the music basically rendered as a throbbing wall that comes up right against your head. The aural equivalent to a pie in the face I suppose.
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