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Title: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: Marvey on June 20, 2012, 04:49:11 AM
Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots.
This one's for you Whitney, you hater!

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Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: Anaxilus. on June 20, 2012, 04:56:20 AM
I would love to try modding those.
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: Marvey on June 20, 2012, 04:59:03 AM
I didn't even bother listening. For Beyers, standard procedure is to measure first, listen later (if at all)
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: ocswing on June 20, 2012, 05:16:34 AM
I think this is the first time I've seen ringing happen at a different frequency between left and right drivers. I know I've seen varying degrees of severity, but the left one is at 4.5k and the right is at 6k. Looks like there are corresponding peaks in the FR.
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: rhythmdevils on June 20, 2012, 05:25:41 AM
Sweet mother of God! 
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: Marvey on June 20, 2012, 05:31:53 AM
Oh my! Didn't notice!

Not the best journalistic or scientific practice (I am neither a journalist nor scientist, although I do consider myself an "advanced weekend hack"), but I have to be totally honest:
This is the first and probably only time I've ever done this with any headphone sent to me for measurement.
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: Anaxilus. on June 20, 2012, 05:34:50 AM
I really want to see what they are doing differently between the T1 Tesla and the lower end Teslas.  They still have the honking magnet I presume or is it just brand image now like having a 'Hemi'.
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: Marvey on June 20, 2012, 05:39:33 AM
Hmm, I wonder if I have a defective one. Other people seem to like them a lot:  http://www.head-fi.org/products/beyerdynamic-t5p/reviews (http://www.head-fi.org/products/beyerdynamic-t5p/reviews)
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: Anaxilus. on June 20, 2012, 05:44:48 AM

Hard to say.  I was actually most curious about the T5p thinking it had potential.

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicT5p.pdf (http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicT5p.pdf)

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicT5pSN2866.pdf (http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicT5pSN2866.pdf)


Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: LFF on June 20, 2012, 05:53:34 AM
And people always wondered why I never liked Beyers.

For years people would offer them up at meets and I would politely decline. My ears must have been telling me something right.... :D
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: Anaxilus. on June 20, 2012, 05:59:51 AM
I still want to hear the DT48, DT250 and this T5p.


I find it hard to believe the Nazis conquered Europe w/ just treble peaks.
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: Marvey on June 20, 2012, 06:02:21 AM

Hard to say.  I was actually most curious about the T5p thinking it had potential.

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicT5p.pdf (http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicT5p.pdf)

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicT5pSN2866.pdf (http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicT5pSN2866.pdf)

The sharp 5k and 7k dips on Tyll's graphs are severe ringing. Sharp dips like that on his measurements are almost always ringing. Measurements here show this in a more obvious way.

Also, what up with that seriously high level of distortion, even at 90db, in the midrange?
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: ocswing on June 20, 2012, 06:04:49 AM
I find it hard to believe the Nazis conquered Europe w/ just treble peaks.

Lol, I finally have something for my HF sig.
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: rhythmdevils on June 20, 2012, 06:21:29 AM
You'll get a lot of karma points for that one. 

I think they may have chased all the good engineers out of Europe.  We got the bomb and they got the treble peaks
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: Anaxilus. on June 20, 2012, 06:26:38 AM
I think they may have chased all the good engineers out of Europe.  We got the bomb and they got the treble peaks


Ah....the Tesla drivers must be using Heavy water.  They'll never learn.
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: rhythmdevils on June 20, 2012, 06:35:51 AM
I want to borrow a pair of these to write a review.  That would be fun :-)
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: MuppetFace on June 20, 2012, 07:06:53 AM
That's hilariously bad. Oh wait, people are getting ripped off, so I guess it's not THAT hilarious. Just kind of hilarious mebbe?
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: maverickronin on June 20, 2012, 03:27:58 PM
Also remember that these are kiteki's favorite full size headphones...
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: rhythmdevils on June 20, 2012, 04:38:52 PM
Here's Kiteki's review of the T5p.  http://www.head-fi.org/products/beyerdynamic-t5p/reviews/6707 (http://www.head-fi.org/products/beyerdynamic-t5p/reviews/6707)

I'm not posting this to make fun of him, but because it makes it clear why he feels so threatened by measurements. 
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: maverickronin on June 20, 2012, 05:17:51 PM
He liked the T70 too, though not as much as the T5p.  I thought it was very nice (though pretty bright...) right up until something hit the narrow ringing in the treble.  Then there was an explosion at the consonant factory.

I wonder if he likes his CSDs full of sharp ridges or something?   ???
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: MuppetFace on June 20, 2012, 05:24:37 PM
Kiteki does seem fond of very razor-sharp sound. One of his favorite IEMs in the MDR-EX700. I actually like the EX700 quite a bit myself, but I'm not going to try to invalidate objective measurements just because I happen to like some pain now and then.
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: Marvey on June 20, 2012, 05:34:00 PM
It's possible that he likes that sound. Some people do.
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: rhythmdevils on June 20, 2012, 05:36:52 PM
I'm not going to try to invalidate objective measurements just because I happen to like some pain now and then.

LOL!   ;D

It's good to understand where his attitude is coming from. 
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: ocswing on June 20, 2012, 06:26:31 PM
It may just not bug him. I know a lot of the headphones you guys complain about being painful don't get that reaction from me. I don't necessarily like them either though.
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: briskly on June 21, 2012, 12:18:37 AM
I was under the impression that the T5p was a sales dud. But this looks terrible. Really terrible. Painfully terrible.
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: Marvey on June 22, 2012, 02:25:51 AM
Updated T5 graph. Did not apply bass comp. curves correctly. The T5p should be better sounding now.
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: rhythmdevils on June 22, 2012, 03:44:30 AM
Yeah now they look amazing....
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: ocswing on June 22, 2012, 03:55:22 AM
I'm still curious about the ringing at different spots between drivers.
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: maverickronin on June 22, 2012, 04:07:38 AM
QC on their driver doping, diaphragm material, or something else must be shit.
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: rhythmdevils on June 22, 2012, 04:43:21 AM
There are a number of phones that have ringing in different places btwn channels.  The LCD-2 is one of the better ones that comes to mind...
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: Maxvla on June 22, 2012, 09:32:27 AM
I liked the T5p I heard at RMAF 2011. It wasn't amazing, but it was seriously the only Beyer in the entire show I thought I could live with. Who knows how that one measures compared to this one. Beyer QC is about as good as a Maaco paint job.
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: The Headphone Viking on October 08, 2012, 02:36:59 AM
I liked the T5p I heard at RMAF 2011. It wasn't amazing, but it was seriously the only Beyer in the entire show I thought I could live with. Who knows how that one measures compared to this one. Beyer QC is about as good as a Maaco paint job.

I would agree that the T5p despite this, when I first heard it at a meet, seemed quite nice for a closed portable can. For the same reason I spent a couple of minutes looking for my jaw somewhere on the floor after I saw the resonance on these graphs...
I owned the T1 for some months as my portable can until some of its resonance got on my nerves on 'busy' passages in music - I don't even dare thing what this would be like in the long run.  p:/
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: gelocks on February 27, 2013, 03:45:15 PM
I was looking into getting these Beyers but it seems that it is not worth it? (at least not at full price...) Still, I liked the Shure 940s which seems to have LESS bass presence than these guys (and instead of a 5-7k drop it's actually elevated at the 7-10k range) so I'm not sure if that difference actually will make me hate the t5p's or not...

Also, is there really so much variation between cans on the t5p's just like on the DT1350??

Anyway, any thoughts?
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: gelocks on November 05, 2013, 03:47:10 AM
Oh well... after all these months, got an Ok deal and bought them...

LOL!
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: sszorin on August 22, 2014, 04:54:15 PM
You'll get a lot of karma points for that one. 

I think they may have chased all the good engineers out of Europe.  We got the bomb and they got the treble peaks
That is actually not true. In fact they had a problem of too many engineers chasing and developing many new ideas; the technological effort was too scattered and diverse. They should have concentrated on a few good products in sufficient quantities instead of wasting effort and brain power on many futuristic projects.
Title: Re: Beyer T5P Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plots
Post by: ultrabike on August 25, 2014, 05:34:24 PM
That is actually not true. In fact they had a problem of too many engineers chasing and developing many new ideas; the technological effort was too scattered and diverse. They should have concentrated on a few good products in sufficient quantities instead of wasting effort and brain power on many futuristic projects.

... and the few good products/prototypes/ideas were?